Les Jones

Land grant colleges were federally established in 1862.
Cornell is still Cornell; there is no Cornell Light. The land grant school is called “Cornell,” it is located on teh Cornell campus and the degree granted says, “Cornell” on it. Cornell is no state school and I know whereof I speak. The atmosphere is rigorous and like any college experience, it gives in proportion to what a student gives.

Whatever the case, Olbermann gets the job done no matter where he went to school. Care to discuss the educational credentials of Limburger or that loon Beck?

Ad hom much, btw? (I expect better from this blog.)

“Ad hom much, btw?”

An ad hominem attack is trying to challenge someone’s argument by attacking the person. There’s no political argument above. Olbermann made a factual claim about himself and Coulter is challenging the veracity of that claim.

You’re using another blog as a proxy for attacking Olbermann. I take your agreement with the other blog’s attack on Olbermann’s educational background as tacit because you quote it without comment, except to say that you dislike intellectual snobs. (Olbermann isn’t even that.) Quoting the other blog in that context implies agreement. You’re either piling onto Olbermann because you don’t like his politics or because you don’t like his (apparent) attitude. In either case you’re attacking him instead of the facts of his message(s), therefore by extension you’re engaging in an ad hom attack.

Coulter and Olbermann both understand that Cornell is Cornell. Teevee is entertainment, nothing more. In any case, the ad hom is just about all Coulter has left… If you don’t like her, then why give her even a small repeat in the echo chamber?

Cornell is Cornell and Coulter is likely mentally ill.
Land grant schools were chartered to give state residents access to the benefits of quality educational institutions residing within their state. Land grant colleges are no less rigorous than their sponsoring universities, though some might make that argument that to get a toe up in a pointless exchange of blathering. Seriously, who give a fuck what the Coultergeist thinks?

“You’re either piling onto Olbermann because you don’t like his politics or because you don’t like his (apparent) attitude.”

All of the above. I’m not crazy about Coulter’s either. Why aren’t you defending her against my dismissive statements? I’m guessing it’s because you don’t like her politics or attitude.

“In either case you’re attacking him instead of the facts of his message(s), therefore by extension you’re engaging in an ad hom attack.”

I’m not debating his message. I’m debating his resume.

As far as Cornell vs the Cornell Agriculture and Life Sciences college, I admit I took Coulter’s word for it without researching it myself. I’ll look into it more.

“If you don’t like her, then why give her even a small repeat in the echo chamber?”

Because I dislike Olbermann slightly more.

“Seriously, who give a fuck what the Coultergeist thinks?”

Sounds like an ad hominem argument to me.

Looks like you’re right about the Agriculture and Life Sciences college. Via Wikipedia: “It is the only school of agriculture in the Ivy League. The undergraduate business program at CALS is one of only two such Ivy League programs accredited by the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB).[2]“

Fair enough. I dislike Olbermann less than I like Coulter, so that puts our foils at a crossed draw.
Otherwise, I like your work here.
Cheers!

By the way, there’s a pretty entertaining Fark thread swirling around this kerfluffle, as well. Great fun.

Whether it is or isn’t part of the Ivy League technically is pure semantics. It is clearly not of the caliber of ANY Ivy League school. An applicant needs higher credentials to gain entrance to any local community college–Olbermann is a phony.

The introduction for tomorrows show should read: “MSNBC’s brainchild Keith Olbermann, distinguished Alumni from the prestigious Agriculture School at Cornell University, will be broadcasting to you live from the Horticulture Department in Ithaca, New York. On today’s show we will learn how to: a) trim the hedges; b) mow the lawn; AND, c) how to get rid of dead weeds once and for all–stay tuned!”

An average of one in five applicants is accepted at Cornell’s school of Arts and Sciences. 18% acceptance rate.

An average of one in five applicants is accepted at Cornell’s Agriculture school. 21% acceptance rate.

Not exactly the huge difference that Coulter is making it out to be.

He went to the Agriculture college at Cornell. You have to admit, if true that’s not what he’s been representing.

The guy’s a snob, he’s been arrogantly touting his education and downing those with a religious education. Yet here he went to an agricultural college to get into journalism? It’s so hypocritical it does delight.

The aggie journalist.

The interquartile range of SAT scores suggest that the Class of 2012 in the College of Arts & Sciences has a median around 1415 and in the state schools around 1380 (critical reading + math)

http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000177.pdf
http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf

Have any of you brainiacs actually gone to the Cornell University website?

The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences is not just for Future Farmers of America. Currently, there are over 30 majors offered by that school, including one in communication [Olbermann has a BS in Communication Arts...a relatively new major that didn't exist before the 1970s, which might explain its unusual placement in the U].

And since many of you don’t know this, most big universities have sub-schools {e.g. Arts & Sciences, Engineering, Communication, et al.} that simply aid in the administration of the entire university. At Cornell, it seems that they also have different funding sources as well.

Also, “Ann Coulter,” it would take some serious research to find out what admissions standards were at Cornell back in the 1970s. Using today’s standards is, well, stupid.

In short, the real Ann Coulter is a hysterical shrew who is playing on people’s ignorance of university structure to defame her political opponent.

I’m not surprised that Ann Coulter would spew such inane and vile ramblings, but it is disheartening that so many blogs have picked it up.

The true problem about education is alluded to in Ann’s introduction: Monica Goodling’s legal education. US News ranks Regents University Law School as tier 4 law school, the *lowest* tier there is. Countless lawyers from top law schools and excellent credentials clamor for government positions every year; yet over 150 graduates of Regents University Law School were appointed under the last president. It is worrisome when so many responsible for the faithful execution of the law were chosen or fired based on political alignment, and not on their credentials.

I entreat everyone to think about how dangerous it is if prosecutors and judges are politically motivated — even if you share the same political views. A lesson from “A Man for All Seasons”, a play about Sir Thomas More:

Wife: Arrest him!
More: For what?
Wife: He’s dangerous!
Roper: For all we know he’s a spy!
Daughter: Father, that man’s bad!
More: There’s no law against that!
Roper: There is, God’s law!
More: Then let God arrest him!
Wife: While you talk he’s gone!
More: And go he should, if he were the Devil himself, until he broke the law!
Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down (and you’re just the man to do it!), do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

I’m not sure what the news is here:
Olbermann is a pompusssss a$$hat.
Olbermann frequently makes up facts or outright lies.
Olbermann is full of BS and he communicates like the douchebag that he is.
Olbermann’s IQ is not much above room temperature.

Ok we know all that. The mental midgets who watch him may not but really who cares? People who watch tv from their parents basement really don’t count for much.

Having actually GONE to Cornell, I can say there is a very big difference between the AG school and the rest. For one thing, the REAL Cornell doesn’t offer a Masters level course in (I shit you not) Basketweaving. (at least the AG school did circa 1995)
Thats not an Ivy League school thats a navel lint school.

Whether or not a school offers courses in basket weaving doesn’t decide whether or not it’s an Ivy League school.

Cornell is an Ivy League school. Cornell University, not just Cornell’s college of Arts and Sciences. Saying the Ag School isn’t part of the real Ivy League Cornell is the equivalent of saying that Columbia’s school of Engineering isn’t part of the really Ivy League Columbia. It’s ridiculous.

Olbermann hasn’t misrepresented himself in any way. He attending an Ivy League institution for college, and has a dipoloma from said Ivy League institution. He never claimed he went to the college of Arts and Sciences. But he did go to an Ivy League school.

Ann is not wrong…. Check the official Cornell pages, not wikipedia….

Tell me this…. Why is he lying? Why hasn’t NBC fired him for falsification of credentials and lying on the air….

He should be UNEMPLOYED>..

Brandon: I enjoyed that. Thanks!

Ralph Brandt: How about you check the official Cornell pages and post the link for us?

I still don’t understand how Olbermann was supposedly lying or misrepresenting himself.

Every reference to Cornell as being part of the Ivy League refers to Cornell University, meaning the University as a whole. Cornell Law School is often called one of the five Ivy League Law Schools.

The Ag school is a college within the University. It’s graduates are just as much Ivy League graduates as those who graduate from the school of Arts and Sciences, or the school of Architecture.

Olbermann never said he graduated from the College of Arts and Sciences. He said he graduated from Cornell, which he did. He said he attended an Ivy League institution, which he did.

He wasn’t lying about anything, Ann Coulter just wants to believe that her Cornell diploma means more than his, when it doesn’t.

OK, Ok, Let’s say that Sean Hannity went to the bull crap college at Cornell rather than a gay guy named Keith that all of you gays and libs will defend even if he is wrong… And then he said he went to an Ivy League school.

Instant drawing and quartering for Hannity from the west (i mean gay left) coast…

Now why would Hannity be treated differently by the supposedly tolerant gay left wing?

she has a good point. For one thing, today, the AG school might have a 1:5 acceptance rate, but back then in the 70’s things were likely considerably different.

of course it doesn’t matter. Olbermann is talented beyond the majority of ivy league grads.

Law school is a whole ‘nother system. Regent is seriously a joke of a school, and the fact that so many Regent grads were hired by the government is proof of blatant political favortism.

Ralph Brandt - I would argue in defense of Sean Hannity as well.

I don’t care if Ann Coulter calls out Olbermann, because I don’t particularly like Olbermann. What I do care about is the hundreds of thousands of current and former students of Cornell’s Ag school that Coulter belittled with her lies.

Coulter insulted students who worked their butts of in high school so that they could study any range of things, from microbiology to chemistry to sociology to pre-veterinary studies at Cornell’s Ag school. She’s an elitist snob spreading false information that does nothing but hurt her fellow alumni. It’s pathetic.

With all the ramblings of people posting here, please tell me, if I get a diploma from Cornell School of Continuing Education or Cornell Outdoor Education, can I then brag that I am a graduate of an Ivy League School? Also, will I then have permission to belittle graduates of say SUNY or CUNY? I will just be doing what Olbermann has been doing all this time in his show.

Let’s see. SAT 25th % for the ag college: 1230.

1230.

You can get into an Ivy League college with a 1230 SAT?

You
have
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kidding.

For the liberal arts college: sat 25th % is 1320. A big difference. But, frankly, not that impressive. Gee, for the Cornell college of hotel administration it’s 1250. So Keith didn’t have to score as high as a restaurant manager to get into college. How impressive!

A 1230 SAT Wouldn’t get you into a non-ivy league college like Emory University. But, you would be in the top half of a joke state school like the University of Ga.

And he brags about going to the cheap Cornell. Do ya think there is a reason folks pay A LOT more to go to the liberal arts college that is more difficult to get into? You would think the only reason would be this: it would have to be a better school.

He is an ass who brags about going to a ag. school. Now that is more than a bit sad.

A few issues have been raised here.

Cornell is a university which means that it offers under-graduate and graduate degrees. It has seven colleges and four professional schools. The Medical school has two campuses.

Each college and professional school is run by a Dean who reports to the President of Cornell University.

As Admissions and the Ivy League. Initially Ivy League school admittance was based on social class and a few gifted students were admitted usually as ministry students. The SAT’s were created to re-design admissions and put academics as the main criteria for admissions.

Most Ivy league schools have a two tier admissions system. One based on Academic merit which they are open about. There is also a system that grants factors legacy and development into the admission decision; this group tends to be unimpressive academically.

Mr. Freeman is incorrect a 1230 would get a legacy or development admit into an Ivy League institution. Ivy League schools don’t give admission statistics for legacy and development admits as a group because they want the perpetuate the myth that admission is based soley on academic talent and achievement.

Just to clarify a development admit is a candidate who is admitted because of the influence of a wealthy donor who has no history with the college or university (alumni).

So Obama was a development admit to some college, sponsored by some rich left wing radical.

I might mention that Hannity and Beck have an educational background more like Socrates than Obama or Olbermann.

Ralph Brandt -

Obama went to a Occidental College and transferred to Coloumbia after sophomore year. Occidental is a small liberal arts college with a very different admissions process than an Ivy League school. He transferred to Columbia so the criteria are different they look as transcripts and reccomendations.

Obama did not go through the Columbia Admission process so your strange conclusion that he was a development admit is silly.

Kelley…

You missed my point. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. Occidental (or maybe Accidental would be better) and every other college has a process to bypass the rules. I am sure Obama did. How he got in may have been called something else but it was the same circumvention of the rules. He somehow extorted the appointment just as he extorted money from businesses to fund ACORN’s registering fraud. He is a liar, cheat, extortionist and probably a murderer if we knew it.

OBAMA - One Big A… Mistake America

DOW zero date based on the Obama influence that started on Oct 1, 2008, on 3/17/2011 the DOW should hit ZERO.

Obama destroys America. Michelle wins… That was his gift to his wife…

Mr. Brandt -

I am sure the all the people in your head understand your point — that is enough. Good luck with your health.

I found this page while googling stats on the colleges I’m applying to, and i usually never post on these blogs, but this post angers me more than anything. As a high school student, there is so much pressure to get into schools, let alone find the school where we will be the happiest at. From SATs, ACTs, grades, extracurriculars, we have a lot on our plates. To have so much pressure about the “prestige” of the school we choose to go to is just ridiculous, and entirely counter to the idea of getting an “ivy league” education. The best education is the education one chooses and how one goes about pursuing it, not by the name of the school. Not only is this topic so pretentious and shallow, but ideas like this are why so many high schoolers are perpetually stressed and forgoing their childhoods. So continue judging, but realize that not only is this discussion counter to the purpose of education but it’s actually insanely shallow and ultimately detrimental to society especially its youth in the mindset it perpetuates. On a second note, I go to a very competitive high school, and I’m applying to several ivies, one of which is Cornell’s agriculture and life sciences program, because that is where their neuroscience program is. So if you think the ag school is not an “ivy league” education, is neuroscience research at Cornell just too dumb? Does it make anyone less intelligent if they want to save money so they can afford graduate school by taking classes in the liberal arts school yet majoring in the ag school? If your answer is yes to those questions then you truly have MAJOR issues, beyond what college you went to.

I wish people would stop belittling Olberman…you might dislike his politics but he is honest and smart(if you disagree pleez provide an example–im sick of empty rhetoric). This blogger dude is a moron for trusting Ann Coulter in the first place.

The Ag school is just as good as the arts and sciences; i want to major in environmental science so im going there. I can’t find that major at the arts and sciences school.

He’s honest. Lol Trusting Ann Coulter is to be a moron. hahaha You are a dumb shit. No wonder you go to the Ag school just like Olbermann.

I must admit that I know very little of Ivy League schools. I went to a lowly private school in southern Indiana for a degree in Music Therapy. But, what I DO know is that those of you who are writing notes in this blog must have left your basic education at the back door. Your language, spelling, grammar, punctuation, syntax, etc., which in my book are definite indicators of intelligent communication, are sadly lacking. Please, if you want to be taken seriously online, or anywhere else the written word is used, try remembering your fifth grade education first. The rest of your argument will take on a lot more weight with those you wish to debate.