Les Jones

You incorrectly stated 2 things:

You said about decocking the gun:

"The SIG's decocker is a little iffy, requiring you to lower the decocker and keep it lowered while you pull the trigger. If your finger slips off of the decocker, watch out! I had one unintended discharge while decocking. Luckily, I was at a pistol range and was observing the safety rule "keep loaded guns pointed downrange - especially when trying a new gun and figuring out how the decocker works." "

This is incorrect, with the P229 to decock it you just lower the decock lever and release it. The hammer will not drop until you release it. Squeezing the trigger is unnecessary and dangerous.

You also stated:

"P229s in .40 caliber can also shoot .357 SIG, which is a .40 S&W case necked down to 9mm (.355 inch) diameter bullets. I didn't have the chance to try it, but apparently you just change out the barrel and magazine to switch between the two calibers."

This is also incorrect. The .40cal magazines and .357 magazines are interchangeable. You just need to change barrels to change from .40 cal to .357SIG and vice versa.

I went by the range to check the gun tonight and you're right, just dropping the decocker will drop hammer. The person who told me how to operate the decocker was obviously confused. The SIG's decocker drops the hammer to part-cock, which may have been what he was getting at. I've amended the article.

I didn't have a chance to try the .40->.357 conversion, but it makes sense that they would use the same magazine. I've added a note to the article. Thanks!

Avoid commenting on topics you know little about.

Thanks, Nimama. That's real helpful advice.

P.S. Blow me, you anonymous weasel.

Have trying to decide between a glock 19 and sig counterpart. What sig would compare to the glock 19? I want to have a pistol to carry and target shoot. Glock 19 is nice but I shot a sig before and I don't remember the model number. Thanks for your response ahead of time.

John Blackman

The SIG P229 is available in 9 mm and is pretty comparable to the Glock 19 (which is the 9 mm version of the Glock 23).

I like the SIG better overall for accuracy and feel, but if I were choosing a gun for carry I'd go with the Glock. It's thinner and lighter, and that counts for a lot.

Hello, is it possible to shoot 9mm from my Glock 23? Does someone makes 9mm barrels? If they do, could you let me know where I can find them.
Thank you, AL

when your life counts on it, it's better to go with the more accurate weapon. I want a Sig now :( I have a Glock 23 I love, and would never part with, but a .40 Sig 229 would be nice...

never put you finger on the trigger while decocking the sig .just let it drop .sig has the best and safest decocker in the world,thanks,keith

go keith

You must be loosing Your mind about GLOCK-23 not being accurate. That gun is a nail driver.
(after 100 rounds of practice ammo) I can nail a 8"x8" steel plate at 100 meters no problem.
I have done it many times and have no clue about what Your problem is with Glock's accuracy. Because they are one of the most accurate guns, right out of the box!

Honestly, I do prefer the grip on a SIG anyday to my GLOCK-23, but as a combat (been there done that!) weapon, it is the best hands down. In the most stressful of situations our Glock-23's performed superbly for offense/defense during patrols. Although we were "forced" to switch to GLOCK-19's for personal defense in Iraq, because everyone and their mother had 9mm ammo, and we were quite limited on .40! I also saw some PSD's carrying 1911's and they had more ammo problems they we did with our .40 supplies. Cause hardly anyone in the litter box has .45 in stock!
Glock-23 is a great gun, and no extra decockers to fiddle with during/after a fight. I want to be able to quickly draw from a thigh-rig, double-tap-in the chest the bad guy, and quickly holster to secure his ass, then have to worry about dropping some lousy hammer. Unholster-shoot-Holster. Simple as that!

You stated that the P229 is the smaller counterpart of the P220. I beleive that is incorrect, as there is a .45 counterpart to the P220. Rather I beleive the P229 is the smaller counterpart to the P226.

Hixor: you're right. It's the 226 instead of the 220. Fixed.

I am considering a Glock 23 and spoke with my local gun shop about them. The owner has a 23 and has fired several thousand rounds of Corbon 165 grains through a succession of 23s. He claims that with the heavy ammo that the fram starts to distort at around 1000 rounds. Any feeling for this?

Glock 23 with a distorted frame after 1000 rounds?? LMAO, I have well over 5,000 rounds through mine and it's perfect. And most of those are heavy training sessions with 180 grain slugs that are packed for punch and home-loaded for EFFECT. I would never say that a GLOCK frame would ever distort. That is some BS rumor by someone who has no clue.

SGT. BOGDAN (USMC)

You tell 'em Sarge! Same experience here. I also have a G27 (sub size)in .40 and love 'em both. My prefered carry round is 180gr.

I recently bought a SIG PRO 2340 40 s&w I love it. shoots great and you can change the barrel to shoot the 357 sig

Hi... i have some comments... i own a P229 .40 S&W caliber with 4 12's LEO mag and sig-lites, my partner has a G23C with 2+ ext. mag so... we can comparated both, and both was superb guns...
My P229 is a little fat and tall but have a superb grip in my hands, rapid fire is delicious, double and triple tap is very easy and accurate to short range (combat range if you prefer)
Glock?, i was toke a little more exercise to be comfortable with safe-action trigger but when i was familiar to it, is perfectly safe and comfort... Glock is a little more easy to carry on and the 5 onz of difference counts at the end of the day...
One more thing or two... P229 is a totally new design but it can see as a compact version of P226...
I'm not completely shure but i thing that to change from .40 S&W to .357 sig is proper to change barrel and coil too...
bye bye from Argentina... (sorry for my english, i'm spanish tongue)

The sig wins hands down. More accurate, safer and overall better engineered. The lack of any REAL safety on a glock is dangerous. Mainly for ccw. The only problem that sig has is price. The highest funded law enforcement agencies choose sigs. ATF, FBI, secret service, navy seals, British SAS and the new federal air marshals use sigs. Honestly I think Glocks are better for average cops. Especially ones not into guns. Hell the US armed forces wanted the p226 over the Bretta. But like I said they are very expensive. Glocks are nice but sigs are the Ferrari of combat auto pistols.

Rick, you don't have a clue. Every ransom rest test shows the Glock 23 being more accurate than a P229. I don't know how you put a quantity on "safety" or "overall engineering", but I can assure you that your subjective opinions count for less than zero. By the way, the FBI chose the Glock 22 and Glock 23 over all other manufacturers as their primary issue, not SIG P226/P229. SIGs and S&Ws are issued only as alternatives and are less popular within the FBI. Next time try not to sound off on a topic about which you are completely ignorant.

Glocks and Sigs are excellent guns, hands down. It comes down to preference. I personally like the heavier Sig because I control recoil better than the lighter Glock. As for law enforcement agencies... there are a lot of police officers who don't know anything about caring for a pistol which is why Glocks are the primary choice. What Rick was trying to convey is that elite special units use Sigs over Glocks. The decocker is a wonderful feature on a Sig and once the hammer is cocked/after the first double action shot, the trigger pull is lighter than a Glock (even with action work done to the Glock). Glocks are good for pointing and shooting but I like the grip, weight and feel of a Sig much better than a Glock. That's just me. Either way you want to cut it, they're both great firearms.

I am a military police officer in the Army reservers and a Deputy Sherrif training officer. I own G23 (.40), G36 (.45), P226 (9mm), P229 (.40), P239 (.40). I can say that all these weapons will do the job. I can grab any of them and feel comfortable. It all comes down to personal preferrence and training. My duty weapon is the P226 so I carry the 239 off duty. Training has taught that you should carry either the same gun on and off duty or at least the same type of gun. Another words if you carry a G23 on duty, you shouldnt carry a P229 off duty as the steps to operate the weapon differ. Last, spend less time worrying about which gun is better. Buy a gun, shoot often, and stick with the same weapon for as long as possible. The longer you carry and shoot the same weapon the more proficient you are going to be in a stressfull situation.

The glock 19 is the 9mm version of the Sig p228. They both are great guns. I have both of them and a Glock 23. I love the way each of them feel. Guns are like shoes; every one likes one brand over an other. Some just buy them because of the brand. I'm particular to Sigs, but Glocks are alot cheaper than sigs. That was the reason for me buying the G23 first.

I think a better comparison for the best combat auto would be Sig vs. HK. Elite military units kill for a living, we should pay a little more attention to what they carry...

I will throw this out. I own a 226 and i was issued a p229 357 sig. through the Texas DPS as a trooper. I like the 229 because i have large hands and it fits better in MY hand than the g23. If u want to argue about which is better go shoot them both and find the one u are more proficient with. But also remember everyone has a opinion and they will gladly share it with you even if it is wrong.

I just bought a G23 a few hours ago, my first handgun, first time firing one in 15 years. I fired 24 rounds at a target 30' away and put them exactly where I aimed. Rattled the crap outa me, man that thing is loud. This gun is easy to shoot and keep up. I looked hard at the Sigs and the Glocks in 9mm and .40 and settled on the glock in .40 because it fit my hands better and it can be retrofit for a 9mm round verry easily. I may get the Sig later also as the decock lever, visible hammer and weight were nice features for recreational shooting. But if you are going to cary it on your person the weight on the Sig would be a con over the G.
IMHO,
Safe Shooting,
Tboh

I don't even own a pistol but it seems like for the average person who doesn't spend a lot of time at the range, the Glock is the way to go because there is less to think of in a stressful situation besides pulling the trigger. These seem like the most simple guns to operate. I wouldn't want to worry about having to flip some stupid safety lever or have a heavier or ligher trigger pull after the first shot.

From what the sig catalog states, the p229 is not a smaller counterpart of the p226, the p229 is a different design, similar, but different, the p228 aka m11 is used by our military and is the compact version of the p226

It seems to me that a person who is going to keep their gun in the glovebox or under the bed would be better off with the Glock because they would have time to chamber a round and then pull the trigger, but operators and law enforcement personnel who need to carry their guns may be better off with a manual safety so that they could carry with a round in the chamber and maybe have the hammer back and they would probably have the skill to flip off the safety really quickly when they draw the weapon, but as for me, the large and few controls of the Glock would make the gun idiot proof. Do police who carry Glocks generally have a round in the chamber? This would seem a little dangerous as they could discharge the weapon when they take it out of their holster. Do any of you know anything about getting a concealed carry permit in Massachusetts? It seems like it is up to the chief of police in each individual city or town. Every law abiding citizen should be able to carry no questions asked without taking some safety class and without having to convince some local cop that you have a need to carry. In MA, you get a mandatory year in jail if you are caught in public with a loaded pistol, even if you are legally allowed to own that weapon.

The decock is NOT a safety.

When Tyrese Jamal Jackson bursts through my door at night, and I have seconds to react, I choose the G23. No matter how proficient you are with the SIG, there is still more room for error.

As for accuracy, the G23 is slightly better than the Sig. Note the longer barrel, and numorous reports. Sorry for double posting.

You hurt my feelings, Jack. Why would I bust through your door??? I don't have a pistol. I do have a Rem 870 with #1 buck that will put all of the "bullets" where I aim, and it does it with one shot! =)

I just purchased a Sig 226 .40, and I cannot wait to get to the range. I have a lot of respect for both Glock and Sigs, but just happened to run into a great deal on the Sig. I am in the police academy right now, and the debate goes pretty much the same way as it does here. Someone said it best earlier. Get a gun, shoot it a lot, keep shooting it, and stay consistent.

I have shot the glock 23 and carried it several times, on duty and off. It is easier to carry of duty than the sig, as other posts have suggested. Both Sig and Glock are excellent manufacturers and I am hard-pressed to choose between them. I prefer to have both. I have just recently acquired a sig 229 and am anxious to try it out at the range. Due to it being heavier, and based on my experience with the sigpro 2340, I'd say the sig will probably have less felt/perceived recoil. As far as accuracy, the barrels of these two weapons are different and the real difference will probably be the operator. Even reports/statistics can be wrong, inconsistent, inconclusive, misleading, etc. What matters is how you shoot with the weapon. One other thing I just thought of: The sig p229 requires only a barrel change between .40/.357. Can the Glock 23 do this? I have yet to find out, but this makes a difference if one has to choose between handguns. With Glock, you may have to change mags as well, I don't know.

I carry a .40 glock 22 on duty and I have been shooting with it for 4 years. The gun is very accurate and very, very reliable. I just recently replaced my 17 year old Taurus pt92 with a sig p229. I do not like the decocker in comparison to the g22, but I love the feel of the grip. As far as coming down to personal preference I think I would prefer the g22 I carry 46 rounds on duty between 3 mags. I would need 4 mags to do that with the sig. definately more kick from the sig on the range due to shorter barrel. I have to agree though both guns are great. I love carrying the sig off duty. Oh and by the way what police officer would carry with his gun on safety or not chambered. The gun has to be ready to fire immediately with as little thought about fine motor skills as possible. Just point and click.

hey guys...so through all this talk i am curious what would be the best all around pistol over the glock 23 and the glock 19? What about those $1,500 Heckler and koch pistols (USP)? Could you help me out?

What handgun ammo company would you prefer. What does the "grain" mean in a bullet and what does the expantion of a bullet mean? Thanks guys....im 17 and im getting my glock in a couple days so i need to learn about this? Which one to choose from 19 or 23

I own both a Glock 23 and a Sig P229. I shoot equally well with both. I find that a Stainless Steel match barrel I put on the Glock 23 made it even more accurate than my P229 (I can say this with confidence having used a bench rest for both). I would rely on either as they are both equally good weapons. For concealed carry purposes I usually wind up carrying the glock 23. In the end it is a matter of preference. If you are on a budget buy the Glock. If you have money buy both as they are both fun to shoot.

Justin as to the glock 19 vs. 23. I suggest going with the 23. It is by far the best combination of capacity, stopping power and size in the glock lineup. If you want something in a similar form factor with the legendary stopping power of a .45 ACP then you bring the Glock 30 into the equation (same size as Glock 23 .40 S&W but it is heavier due to the .45 ACP rounds and heavier frame.) My guess is if you look at a glock 30 you will fall in love with it - TRUST ME. Put a LaserMax laser pointer inside your glock (yes INSIDE your glock - it is way cool although it costs about $300 bucks it is well worth the expense - pointing the red laser dot at someone is statistically proven to deter - so you wont have to shoot 'em) and a nice match grade stainless steel barrel and you have one mean gun that costs less than a $1500 H&K and has more bang for the buck!

yeah..but see i either want the glock 23 or 19. Just those because the bullets are easiest to find and they are very popular. No glock 30. I understand the glock 19 is a 9mm which is commonly used but what about the 10mm. Is it as accurate as the 9mm or better. Please give me a lot of facts and i have already checked out the lasermax before u told me bout it. Pretty frekin tight huh? Some hollow tip laser pointed bullets would do just find for self-defense....if u have a lot more to say about the glock 19 and 23 to help me decide...please email at hisnameisjustin22@yahoo.com....-thanks

hey japman, why did u put a stainless steel barrel on it. What intension did u want to cause by doing this? U say it was accurate after, but what about before....why did u get it. Keep lead away or something..could u give me ur real email cause i doubt that one is...haha

I am younger than most of you guys (14) but I have much experience with both of these pistols. The first thing, Glock arms and Sig arms are too hard to compare on accuracy. The weight difference, size, and the trigger action are so far different that basically, the performance of the gun is limited to how comfortable you are with it. You know, I have better performance with the G26 on average more than the G17. I bet with a bigger guy with bigger hands (you know what I mean if you ever shot the 26) would have better accuracy overall with the G17. SIG just seems to fit me right.

The one thing I like about Glock...its been a while... but I remember that when you put in a new magazine, there would automatically be a round in the chamber and ready to fire! I loved that since I usually forget to pull back the slide...even worse with the 1911 since you also have to pull back the hammer too.

My favorite handgun to shoot of all time has to be the Jericho. They are made by the Israeli military (IMI) and in america are distributed by Magnum research. For reliablity, performance, and definetely price, IMI made guns beat the Glock and SIG in these categories hands down. Check them out.

zach.

This non-sense about the Glock being more unsafe "while taking it out of the holster" crap is unfounded. A Glock will positively not discharge unless somone/something pulls the trigger. Keep your damn finger off of the trigger until ready to shoot!!!! A safety is not a mechanism it is a mind set.

I am looking to buy a glock 17. tell my the goods and bads

Zach says: "I am younger than most of you guys (14) but I have much experience with both of these pistols."

Then he says: "when you put in a new magazine, there would automatically be a round in the chamber and ready to fire!"

And goes on to say: "I usually forget to pull back the slide..."

*** NOTE TO ZACH: STAY AWAY FROM FIREARMS. ***

First of all, I think that Zach has some wrong information about the Glock -- you have to rack the slide to pick up the first round. And a 1911 will have the hammer cocked by the racking of the slide -- it's not a 2-step process.

I do not own a pistol yet, but I would be interested in comments on the following advice that I got from a gun dealer today. I went in looking for a glock 22.

He said that glocks have had more accidental discharges because the only external safety feature is the lever on the trigger. If you are holstering the pistol while loaded, there is a chance that something will catch the trigger on the way in. So what about the XD, I asked. He said the XD is better because it also has the grip safety -- putting your thumb on the back of the slide when holstering should lift the grip safety and reduce the chance of an accident. But he thought the safest bet was a sig because there is a long and heavy trigger pull when the hammer is down, and by keeping your thumb on the lowered hammer when holstering, you can be sure the trigger is not moving.

Do you guys agree? I guess the flip-side is that you have to remember to decock the gun after use or you risk an accident.

I owned Glocks. The IDPA guys I shoot with swear by Glocks. I don't like the light trigger pull of a Glock for CCW. I think it is too light. You may not. I do not own Glocks anymore. I own Sigs. I do not carry the .40 anymore. All my Sigs are .357 Sig loaded with Gold Dot hollow points. If it's good enough for the Texas Rangers and the Texas DPS, it's plenty good enough for me. They spent a year comparing different calibers of ammunition and different pistol manufacturers. Bottom line, Sig P226, P229, and Gold Dot .357 Sig. ammo.
But just remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

Both Glocks and Sigs are excellent weapons. As a LEO and SWAT team member I have shot a lot and have owned both weapons. I prefer the Sig. But the Glocks are great. I always shot the Sig more accurately and most of my buddies have the same experience. The Glock's trigger requires a carefully trained operator on the end of it. Yes, Glocks have been involved in more accidental discharges than many other makes - this has led Glock to offer their 8-pound "New York" trigger. (vice the 3 pound normal trigger) As someone eloquently said earlier in this post - you need to keep your finger off the trigger! This requires training, discipline and practice.

Something that you folks haven't mentioned yet is the new DAK (6.5 pound double action only trigger) available on the Sigs. My PD switched to it in 2003 and it is great - just like the Glock, every pull is the same - no decocking to confuse you. It does have an external hammer, but it is flush with the slide. The trigger action is longer than a Glock's but is very smooth. As it does have a traditional hammer and associated linkages, you can also "restrike" a cartridge - if it doesn't fire on the first pull, you can pull it again - which can't be done with a striker-fired weapon like a Glock. To the Glock's favor, it is an incredibly simple and reliable design. It has a trigger reset of only .1 inches - after firing, you can let the trigger forward only .1 inches and you feel a small "click" - you can then pull it again and fire another round. I have friends on another PD SWAT team who can fire repeat shots from their G22s so fast it sounds like an automatic weapon! I have also seen Glocks fired filthy dirty and they never fail - but why would you do that to your weapon in the first place??

Anyway - you should check out the DAK trigger before deciding on a weapon. The Dept of Homeland Security just awarded Sig a 65,000 pistol contract for P229s and P226s with the DAK system - it is excellent. (Sidenote: H and K was also awarded a large contract by the DHS for their USP and P2000 pistols with a trigger similar to the DAK called a LEM trigger - lucky DHS guys are carrying either Sigs or HKs - no slumming going on there!)

Bottom line - see what you like, what feels best, what you can afford. (Although spending 200 more on a Sig that you may keep for 25 years isn't a factor in my opinion!)

We carry the .357 Sig in our issued P226R DAKs - Texas Twister - you are well prepared. We got all the data from TX DPS before changing over to the .357 from .40. It is a HAMMER. It performs through car doors and windshields better than the other calibers. Interesting note to all you .45 fanatics - TX left the .45 for the .357 Sig because the .45 wasn't doing the job on car doors and windshields. Not a factor for the average civilian CCW, but for cops - a BIG deal.

So - check out the new Sig DAK trigger before you make a decision based on not liking a decocker. Can't go wrong with either a Glock or Sig though...

Shoot safely

I carry the g23, and g21 and also own a colt deffender .45 light wight, i love my guns and shot many others but while on or of duty i'll stand by my glock's 110% they never ever failed me, if you ask me the sig is a good weapon but my opinion i dont like the way it fels in my hands for some reason, but the one thing i like about my g21 is that i have 14 round's in the gun at all times of pure stopping power + 2 13 rond back up mags wich gives me 40 rounds with gold dot +p rounds , i feel safe at al times and know for a fact if its raining i dont have to run for a plastic bag, i have chased a suspect through a swamp and got my g21 summerged in water and still knew it will fire as all glocks will ,

latter
sgt. dave

I carry the g23, and g21 and also own a colt deffender .45 light wight, i love my guns and shot many others but while on or of duty i'll stand by my glock's 110% they never ever failed me, if you ask me the sig is a good weapon but my opinion i dont like the way it fels in my hands for some reason, but the one thing i like about my g21 is that i have 14 round's in the gun at all times of pure stopping power + 2 13 rond back up mags wich gives me 40 rounds with gold dot +p rounds , i feel safe at al times and know for a fact if its raining i dont have to run for a plastic bag, i have chased a suspect through a swamp and got my g21 summerged in water and still knew it will fire as all glocks will ,

latter
sgt. dave

I wish SIGS had a tennifer finish. Both are great.

I think a lot of people praise the Sigs just because they are "nice looking" firearms. It is a great looking gun, but I have to go with Glocks as being the better of the two. The Sigs are bulky and have a high bore-axis. I am extremely accurate with my G26 as I am with a G19. The Glock 26 IMO is the top 9mm I have fired to date. So stop this crap about Sigs being the best. Don't confuse "better looking" with better pistol.

Glocks rock and rule baby!!!

ive owned a glock model 22 for about 10 yrs now and shot somewhere around 6,000 ronds almost everything available through it. perfect reliabilitry! 0 malfunctions! not once has it ever even failed to lock the slide back. ive shot revolvers that were not as reliable as my glock 22. it is accurate, reliable, durable, and very light. isnt that all that can be expected of a selfdefense firearm?

I have owned both the glock 23 and 17 in the past and had much range experience with both. Sig is a firearm for some reason or another I have never actually owned or shot, altough I have owned many, many other types. The Glocks are very safe and durable guns, but I can not hit with the model 23 very well personally. The 17 on the other hand would hit anything I cared to set my sights to (by can't hit, I mean about 3-4 inch groups at 25 yards, I do not consider this good accuracy, I like around 2 1/2 inch or less, BTW, I can shoot a 7.62(308) with very good results at over 1/2 a mile, so yes I can shoot). I eventually traded the 23 for a (to use an american cliche) 1911A-1(very accurate, feed angle oddities I observed, have the barrel and feed ramps polished as soon as you get it). Glocks seem to hold their value very, very well, as an observation on that deal. They are very good and extreme firearms, for those of us(ccw) that think we might encounter a blizzard, raging sandstorm, and flood (not the 40 cal. in water!!!!!!!please, it will blow up, no matter what Tommy Lee Jones told you, only the G17 with maritime springs is safe!) all in one day. After all of the talk in favor of the Sig, I think It may be one of my future purchases, after all a person once told me if you wanted to be a modern day gunslinger, you had to be familiar with the Glock, Sig, and H&K pistols(I have walked the battlefields in my line of work). As far as 40 cal. guns go, actually I chose the S40 Steyr, I love the accuracy and the fact that it is one of the rarest Steyr handguns to obtain in the U.S., especially since the injunction against them in late December 05, It is basically a Glock with all of the faults removed (if there were ever any!), or remedied. Chamber is completely supported, unlike glock 40, (hint: Always buy a firearm in the caliber the designer invented it in!!! For glock that would be the 9mm and the 10mm, Steyr would be the 40, although the designer wanted it to be a 45, there wasn't a market at the time, hence the extra beef in the slide. Strange, I admit, but he made it 40 cal to comply, wonder what a 45 is capable of in this design! By the way, the designer was a former engineer for glock!!!) Basically it is a glock with steel slide rails to improve accuracy(Tolerances can be thighter with steel, compared to polymer), and a manual safety of the design found on south african pistols, M-1 Garand, M-14, etc... Which you may or may not chose to use, since the basic safety is similiar to the glock's! Just an added bonus. The Steyr has 6 safeties in total, compared to the glocks 3, granted, you choose the ones you want to use. I carry mine glock style with only 3 activated (meaning simply pull the trigger!), but still it gives you the choice, which I like. Very strange sights at first, but once you get used to them, you can not touch the accuracy for less than a 1000 dollars U.S. Hopefully my bable has helped you, I am still a die hard glock fan, just trying to improve the design (if it is possible!).

One thing none of you experts have touched on is bore axes. I have owned Glocks, Sigs, Colts, Berettas, and just about every other gun made.
Bottom line is the Sig is much better made, machined surfaces are more like ground not cut.
Bore axes is much higher on the Sig so recoil is more pronounced. Glocks sit lower in your hand ad recoil is more backwards not a flip-up. This makes a big difference in double taps. The Glock is more like a hammer. Throw it around, beat it up and it still works. Drop a Sig in the dirt and all bets are off due to the precision slide to frame fit.
So if you want a home defense night table gun that you can be proud of and pass down to your kids, get a Sig.
But if you want a rock solid bet your life on it no braner protection tool get a Glock.
If accuracy is your bag get a Colt Government model, add compensator, adjustable sights, red dot sight and all the other bells & whistles and you are there. Just plan on dropping over $2500 on it. My Colt will out shoot my Sig 220 and any other handgun I own. Every manufacturer compairs their guns to the Colt, but only one has been around for 75 years.
Bullets are not critical, any will do the job.

PS.
I own all the above and don't have an axe to grind. Just tired of the Ho-Ha I read.

I think I have also owned between 75 and 100 different handguns over the years. I have only found Glock, Sig and Beretta (and Wilson Comabat)to be utterly reliable. I will only comment on the Glock vs Sig debate here. My personal experienced opinion.... Sigs are like a fine watch..precise, attractive, expensive and comes with lots of pride of ownership. Sigs are very excellent guns. On the other hand, Glocks are simple, functional, affordable and are also very excellent guns. Bottom line is....I have the Glock 21 in my nightstand, carry the Glock 23 in my vehicle, and have the Glock 26 as my CCW. I still like my Sigs, but I have to depend on my Glocks purely due to their simplicity of operation and utter dependability. My advise...just pick one, stick with it, and practice.

This is in response to Justin's comments above about Glock 19 vs. Glock 23
I just went through the same delema. I was trying to decide between a Sig P229 (.40 S&W) & Glock 23 for CCW
I shot a Sig and a Glock. Both are EXCELLENT FIREARMS, But I found the Glock to be a better fit for me.
Then my wife started to show an intrest in shooting.
So it was down to G23 vs. G19. The G23 has more
"Stopping Power", but the G19 has less recoil and in my opinion I handle it better. I spoke with my local
Glock Armorer at the range, and he said "Stopping
Power doesn't matter compaired to a well placed round.
You should choose the gun that you feel comfortable
with". In the end I chose the Glock 19 because of its
lighter recoil. Both are GREAT GUNS. My advice to you
would be go to the range and shoot both of them, and
see which one fits you best.
I also think I am a little partial to the 9mm as my
dad bought a Glock 17 in 1988, and it is what I have the most experience shooting.
(Between him and I we have over 50,000 rounds through it.) Please email me back and
let me know what happened.
Which Glock did you choose? Did you buy one yet? etc.

Hope this helps,
Justin Cartier
JustinC25@yahoo.com

I went with a co-worker who came into a G23 as a product of a swap for golf clubs. Apparently the guy with giving the G23 didn't know what he had or didnt care. My co-worker let me fire his G23 and I nailed my target beautifully on my first handling. He made me fall in love with the G23 and I had my mind set that I wanted a G23. My brother in law wanted a new gun, since he had just give up his colt .45 due to a mishap, and he wanted a .40 cal that didn't feel like a toy, he said. I tried to inform him the best I could about the G23, we went from one store to another until we went to the range we often went to. The store owner has his own set of guns for rent but not for sale. The Glock happened to be in the case as well as the Sig P229 and another .40 which I cant remember the make. We put all three in our hands and the Sig felt the best. The shop owner had the .40 barrel as well as the .357SIG barrel and a 9mm barrel, which we were interested in purchasing as well. He stated to us that the 9mm barrel had to be a particular barrel for it to work properly. He didn't want to sell us on the Sig, though he has one on his side, and he said the best bet would be to fire it on the line. The shop owner was out of Sig P229's but had just ordered 3 so we put one on hold for when they came in. They should be in this Friday, so i'm anxious. I'm not saying I was giving up the idea of the G23, I was just telling a friend earlier it was my next purchase, but this was my birthday present to myself. =D my wife didn't seem to mind, especially after I told her how versital it was. the only problem she had with that, which I couldn't believe my ears when she told me this, was the barrel versitility. She told me if I wanted different calibers I should buy a single gun for every caliber. I about cried. A woman after my own heart. She really only has one gun which was given to her by her father before he passed away which is a S&W 908. That handgun has about as many rounds put through it as his motorcycle had miles. He rarely rode his bike, due to health reasons, he was a CCW holder and felt comfortable enough with what he had, which was the advise from the shop owner. We did exactly what he said, each one out, weighed the options for each peice and made an educated decision. We liked how the laser replaced the guide rod for the P229 as well. I'll still get my G23 one day, but as for now, I'm waiting on Friday for my new P229 to come in. Currently I carry a .357 revolver in my glovebox and my very first, brand new, pistol purchase of a Ruger P90 .45 which has been like an extention of me. it's a little big in size, compared to my body frame. I'm 5' 6" with medium to small hands and the P90 feels like it was made for me. This has a polymer body and I was pleasantly suprised to find it will accomodate, without a problem. .45 super ammunition. I get to the range as often as every 3 months, at least, and spend as much time there as I can, which is the most important thing I've heard that is helpful here. Buy what feels good (most important), shoot often and remember gun ownership is privelege but gun safety is a requirement and the two most important safeties are not on the gun, but in your head and in your hands. Know what you're doing and don't put your finger on the trigger unless you mean for it to fire. Cheers and happy shooting. =)

Robert

Well, I've read al your comments and I think at the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference and comfort with the weapond of your choice. I'm a Glock person and I own a G26. I'm pretty impressed with the accuracy of this "baby" glock. I'm about to upgrade to a G23. I must admit however that I have fired Sig 226 belonging to my friend and the trigger pull is sweeter than that of the glock. (I've fired Glocks 17 & 26). But despite this, I still pefer glocks. Also, glocks works even when poorly maintained/cleaned.
I've seen other guns internal components and slide release rust, but not glock parts. But, if you're not glock person, stick to what you like, clean it regularly and practise ofter. Nuff Said .. Cant wait to get mi G23. NightCrawler

I have been a glock shooter for more than 13 years - I bought my first G17 in 1992 and I still have it and shoot it twice a week.

I Have a CCW and carry as a regular course of doing business (for the last 13+ years as well) and I bought a matching G19 - I have been to Front Sight - Blackwater and taken a lot of training with my Glocks - I basically shoot very competently - I am very confident in the weapons and my ability to deliver good solid hits should the need arise.

However, the one thing that I do not have great confidence in is the caliber - 9mm is fun and cheap to shoot granted and can be a very viable defensive round - BUT I have been shooting it for quite a long time now and I was ready for a change - I just bought a Sig 229 .40 after shooting all of the 40's out there - HK / Glock / Beretta / Springfield - the Sig was by far the most comfortable gun in that caliber and the one that I felt would work best FOR ME.

Not only is the track record of SIG undenyable - the sheer fact that I shot the gun well the first time that I picked it up was what won my praise and I dont grant that easily as I have spent many years shooting Glocks and loving every minute of it.

My G17 has well over 100,000 rounds through it as of a couple of weeks ago - NEVER A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER - same goes for the G19 - never a gun related problem.

I shot a G23 - and a 22 - they seemed to be a bit sharp recoil wise and actually hurt my hand when shooting - not fun at all for someone that shoots as much as I do - comfort is key. The accuracy was everything that I would expect from a $850 gun (the SIG) - one ragged hole if I did my part - recoil was alittle flippy due to the high bore comparatively - but all in all - what a heck of a soft shooting and accurate gun. The SA of the sig delivers follow up shots VERY QUICKLY - something that caught me a little off guard - as I am used to the longer reset of the Glock. (BTW I leave all of my Glocks STOCK AS BOUGHT - no need to add anything as they are fine right out of the box and after market parts tend to create more problems than they solve.)

I plan on shooting this gun extensively for IDPA - and at Front Sight and we will see what happens when g-d willing I make it another 13 years.

When we get to this level of quality - Sig / Glock - it does not matter so much about the machine - it is the man or woman operating it that is the factor that needs to be considered I think.

On another note - my 19 and I went through a very tough situation - it did its job and did it well - the fight was ended without a shot being fired - That is the only gunfight that I am ever likely to win.

Folks - it is not the gun - it is the shooter. "Any gun will do if you will!"

I also have a Dillon 650 - set up for 9mm and 40 - ammo is not an issue for me.

I will post again when I shoot the gun this weekend. We will see then if my opinion changes - somehow I doubt it.

I'm a former Military Policeman, and NYPD Patrol Officer in Harlem. I've just switched from the SIGPRO 2340 in .355SIG (that's what it really is, not .357 - that's just advertising) to the Glock 23 in .40 with Speer CCI GoldDot 165 Grain hollow points for civillian concealed carry. If I anticipated having to fire through car doors or against light body armor wearing criminals I'd drop in the .357 barrel and fire 125 grain GoldDots.
My new Glock weighs a half a pound less than my SIGPRO and a half pound is a lot in concealed carry to me. What I want is a pistol with no safeties to manipulate and a consistent trigger pull for each round fired and the Glock 23 does that out of the box. I'm not putting down SIGARMS products - they're outstanding weapons. But at a distance of 2-3 yards I can deploy my Glock 23 FASTER and with more confidence, and I'm more likely to carry it because it's lighter weight. My defensive plan is to draw and fire one round one hand instinctive immediately followed by four rounds two hand supported while stepping back and away, which is the anti-robbery drill that I practice. I also feel more confident with the Glock than the SIG firing the first double tap, because the trigger pulls the same each time. In a counter home invasion scenario in which I'm armed with a handgun, I practice firing a double tap to the chest followed by a headshot before moving to better cover and my 12 Gauge. For concealed carry Glock 23 is a very good choice. I also carry a Smith and Wesson revolver in .38 as a backup weapon, again with GoldDots and a 5 shot 22LR Derringer style single action revolver as a pocket gun.

I'm considering a G23 - and have a G19. I saw someone say that you could shoot 9mms out of G23 by changing barrels? Is that true in anyone's experience? I also have a G26, but depend on my 19 when it hits the fan...

Thanks

Here's the deal on the G23 or any other .40 cal Glocks: You CAN convert to .357 Sig. You CANNOT convert them to 9mm, unless you buy a custom barrel. As far as glock brand barrels go, this is the rule. It has to do w/ the size of the hole in the slide-the Glock .357 Sig slide and the .40 Glock slide have the same size hole. In fact, you need not even change magazines for a .40 to .357 Sig conversion. The overall diameter of the hole in the slide of the 9mm Glock is smaller than that of the .40 or .357. Perhaps Bar-Sto or some other company offers a Glock .40 to 9mm conversion barrel, but in my experience, all bets are off once you veer from Glock OEM parts. PS-I know someone will disagree so here it is:I have a G27 (.40) and I have a .357 Sig barrel for it (Glock OEM), as well as 1 .357 magazine (Glock OEM). the .40 mags work fine w/ the .357 ammo and barrel. I HAVE tried to drop a Glock 26 9mm OEM barrel into my G27, and it rattles too much and doesn't lock up properly into battery. I wouldn't even attempt to fire it, as I suspect the extractor would not even engage the rim of the 9mm cartridge (the G26 mag WILL fit into the mag well of the G27, incidentally, but only b/c of the identical overall length and width of the G26 and G27 magazine and mag well).

guns are like cars.the more bells and whistles
the more likely they are to brake.
I have a lot of different pistols, kimbers,
spring fields, ruger,walther, bersa,and glocks.
sig, I always see every one comparing sig, h&k,
most of the higher end pistols to GLOCK, wonder why that is??? because there just that good. and as safty, if you dont pull the triger it wont go off, and I know all pistols dont fit every one thats why they make different models.
if I was in a bad situation and heart racing
no time to think , know safty to look for or decoker,and guaranteed to fire it would be a Glock. thats why most police carry Glock.

Glock all the way! You can literally abuse a glock, and it will shoot every time. Sig and hK are both well crafted weapons, but my GLOCKs are the most reliable, comfortable, and accurate pistols in the world.
The AK-47 of pistols.

My two neighbors and myself all just purchased pistols. One, a Springfield XD in .45; one a G23 in .40; and myself a Sig 229DAK in both .40 and .357sig. I respect all 3 as excellent and reliable guns. I will tell you that we each researched and handled many guns before buying. We are all very satisfied and comfortable shooting our own guns, but to trade feels awkward. Each manufacturer has an array of features and safeties. Just find whats best for you. Now, whats more important, which is better, FORD, CHEVY OR DODGE?

The only SIG I have experience with is the P220R .45acp. It is my primary issued duty weapon. It replaced the S&W 4566 also in 45ACP two years ago. I thought the 4566 was a good service pistol, though heavy. It never failed on me. Our range officer had a different opinion however saying the S&W's had a lot of problems and that he nearly always had several down for repairs. The SIG P220 is an excellent weapon. It is much more accurate than I am capable of demonstrating to it's best capability. I practice regularly and am considered to be one of the better shooters on our department. Other than the reliability factor, what I like best is the way it feels in my hand. Ours have the optional Hogue grips. They are just "sticky" enough that you never get the feeling the gun will slip in your hand, and it just overall feels natural to me. It does what it's supposed to do. We use Speer Gold Dot ammo as our issue load.
I have owned a Glock 23 .40 S&W cal for several years, and it is my main off-duty carry piece. The mag holds 13 rounds and one in the spout makes 14. Thats better than the 9+1 of the SIG, and the Glock is noticably lighter. It too is extremely accurate. Both weapons have night sights, and I see no advantage of one over the other in that regard, they are both easy to shoot accurately in dim or low light. I carry mine in a Don Hume IWB clip on holster or a Don Hume H721 No. 36-1 pancake with a thumb break safety snap. The SIG in a full duty rig by Safariland while in uniform.
It all boils down to this in my opinion: If there is going to be a gunfight, try not to be there, but if you have to be there, have a rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun with double ought and slugs alternately loaded, and shoot first. If you have to shoot the handgun, as fast as you can get the thing pointed at their body,start delivering bullets into them, of course striving on putting the front sight post where you want the bullets to hit...and keep pounding till they stop. If your first rounds hit leg, groin, belly as the gun is coming up to center mass, you are that much closer to stopping the aggresive action and the threat to your life. Ragged little holes in paper are one thing, but first bullets into a body are an advantage hard to overcome.
Either weapon, the SIG or the Glock is one you can confidently stake your life on. The rest is up to your ammo, your ability..and luck.
Whatever you shoot, shoot it often, carry it in the same place...one that you can access quickly...and be CAREFUL with the damn thing. Remember weapon retention..practice it!!OFTEN. I wouldn't want either of them to end up in the bad guys hands if they started the day off in my posession.
Happy shootin'

You all make very good and insightful points. I've enjoyed all of them because I've lived through those same points in my own Sig vs. Glock debate.

I've owned a G22 2nd generation now for well over a decade (and various others) and after firing close to 8,000 rnds in ranges I came across a shooter with a brand new Sig Pro. He was former military and a CA highway patrol officer. He knew more about guns than I ever will. After talking a bit we fired a couple mags from each others gun (that's American). I fired closer groups with the sig that day than I did with my own glock. So, for shooting in a range the sig would have been a better match for me. And to me that was unforgettable. What was also unforgettable was the discussion we had about how I was just and "ordinary" citizen with no legal reason to be carrying a loaded firearm in public places and to forget about it being concealed on my person. So, what he was saying was that the "tactical" advantages of glocks were basically wasted on someone who can only shoot their gun in a firing range, or maybe in the dessert. And as far as home defense goes, I'm clearly a better shooter with the sig. There were also some other combat sort of issues (or tricks) that were very interesting and helped to demonstrate his vast knowledge and experience over mine. Dispite all that I am still rather happy with my glock because of my level of familiarity with it. I think this serves to stress that great piece of advice that - no one gun fits all.

So let's be realistic and let's be honest. If the shooter will not be benefiting from the advantages that a specific type of weapon can offer, then maybe we're kidding ourselves to some extent. To the extent that we are human and we are likely to make the wrong choice in a handgun from time to time. Just because you've made that purchase doesn't mean it always going to be the best choice. So, to that extent we really need to sample as many different guns as possible, whenever the opportunity avails itself. And as for me ever getting a permit for concealed carry, I won't be holding my breath.

So for all you law enforcement types, I would really like to know how us "ordinary" types can get a concealed carry permit. I know it depends a lot on the State one resides in, I now live in Maryland. So what are my chances, and how do I go about it?

Back when I lived in California, I was told by that same aforementioned CHP officer that; even if I had to used my firearm in my home to save my own life from an armed burglar - I could still face a misdemeanor charge for discharging a firearm within a residential community!!??!! Now that's an antigun state! Thanks for reading this, Ray

Ray, We are all(refering to law abiding types here) just ordinary citizens. we law enforcement types are just held to a higher standard of accountability than non-sworn citizens. Check with your local police department or Sheriff's officials regarding proceedure for obtaining CCW permit. As you say, its different in each state. No shoot against a living being,... animal or human, in defense of self or others is "free". Exception might be hunting, but even that is regulated. You shoot a person, or AT a person,..you have questions to answer and a price to pay. Ask any lawman who's ever shot someone, no matter how justified the circumstances...they paid too. These guns can be fun, but they are heavier than most people ever imagine, and i'm not talking about ounces of weight. Ask a copper to explain that one to you if you don't know what i'm talking about.
Be legal, be careful, and have fun with your marksmanship exercises.

testing

Interesting comments on the weapon of choice. I would like to add my two cents worth. It is obvious by the lack of comments regarding any problems on design and metallurgy that a major sector of the shooting population is not aware of the several problems with the some of the Glock pistol designs. Now before all you pro Glock guys start jumping up and down, let me say that the overall design and function of the pistol is fine, very user friendly, very simple and very durable in most cases. I am aware of the problems I will discuss only because I was in the firearms industry for many years where these problems are well known. The 9mm guns are not a problem, likewise with the 10mm. Both have an unsupported chamber which will cause a case to bulge or rupture every now and then, but not a big deal. Now on to the 40 and 45 caliber guns. These barrels are the same external dimensions as their smaller counterparts, ie., the 9 is bored out to 40, the 10 is bored out to 45. The problem begins here. The thinner barrel is not a heat treated 4130 alloy as are most other brands, but simply a free machining (soft) alloy which is then carbon nitrided to create a surface hardness (Tennifer Finish) but the inner core remains soft. The problem occurs when a small crack begins at a given stress riser and continues to propagate until the tensil strength of the barrel will no longer support the pressure of the round being fired and the barrel fails. This can be confirmed by researching law enforcement bulletins,( Amarillo Tx PD, Portland Or PD )or research labs ( H. P. White, H. S. Precision) or check with Barsto, Jarvis, Wilson or anyone who makes barrels for a living and ask them what they think of a surface hardened barrel vs a heat treated barrel. A timing problem also exists in the 40 caliber guns which I won't bore you with the details but suffice to say that some ruptured cases and badly bulged cased from the 40 cal Glocks are caused as the breach unlocks too early allowing the case to move to the rear which increases the unsupported area of the case. You can confirm this with a simple low light exercize. Fire a Glock 40 cal in low light conditions and watch the amount of flame which exits the port area (where the empty comes out). Now shoot a Sig or Smith etc. and watch for the same. You will see very little flame from the port, most from the muzzle. Bottom line, if you like the Glock 40 or 45 well and good, I like them too, but for safety's sake, put a heat treated Barsto or Wilson barrel in them. That fixes everything except the timing problem and by it's self, that doesn't seem to be a problem. Sorry for such a long story but I felt it important to pass that info along. MAY THERE BE A ROAD!

After having a USP .40 for some time I recently added a sig pro in .357. I like the polymers for weight reasons and both HK & Sig have the evidence to back up their claims of performance and reliability. Personally I find that I like the feel of the Sig better. Like I said the USP was my first choice but this was because research convinced me that HK had a slight edge in quality. When trying different guns I arrogantly convinced myself that I could "train myself" to get used to the less comfortable feel of the HK. I mention this to supplement previous comments; I strongly agree that spending time at the range trying different guns is the way to go and well worth the time (but only if you listen to yourself). Don't get me wrong I still enjoy the USP but in shooting my sig pro and a p229 and p226 at the range the next pistol I add will most likely be another Sig because consistent shooting outweighs any slight edge in quality. Don't care for Glocks, they just don't feel right and although I didn't understand it till loneranger explained it I had heard of issues with barrel failure in Glocks that made me too uncomfortable to honestly consider one. Bottom line I would recommend either Sig or HK as excellent values for what you get, just pick the one that suits you best

hey I'm interested in getting a Sig 226 in .357, would also like to have the Sig 229 in .357 for CCW. Can mags from the 226 fit into the smaller 229 ( like in Glock series) and can I get a high capacity 20 rnd mag for either gun?

Glocks are good, but the Navy Seals carry SIG 226's and SOCOM troops (some) carry the HK Mark 23 .45....

Had both (and a couple others) in question and to me it boils down as follows: the glock will shoot "minute of scumbag" in any situation. Tearing the 10 hole up is not totally relevant in a panic situation. Fine motor tends to go out the window unless you train to that level of adrenaline (ie spec. ops, etc) For the glock...Abuse it, never clean it, load it with any ammo you want...it just works.

A CCW is not a target weapon nor should it be. When you tighten up a weapon for accuracy you lose some reliability as those tolerances fug up easily. Take a high end colt, kimber, etc for cutting sadistic smiley faces in targets and they will reward with a VERY satisfying shooting experience. Keep em clean, give them their favorite ammo, etc that is what they do (very very well). On the opposite end of the spectrum is the glock that takes whatever abuse you can dish and goes bang when you need it to. Its actually impressive how accurate glocks are given their ability to deal with abuse/neglect. The sig falls in the middle between the two extremes. You could say "best of both worlds" or "does neither well"...depends on your point of view and priorities.

Hope this helps...

Got a Question for you experts,

just bought a sig 229 DAK in .40 for my girlfriend. Wondering what upgrades there are available. Shes a small gal and I'd like to get the hydraulic slide/spring for lower recoil and a lighter hammer spring to lower the trigger pressure for her. I also want to know if there is a shorter trigger available. I am under the undersatanding that the dak already comes standard with a short trigger but for some reason I feel that there is some more room for adjustment. I just don't want to mistakenly buy the same trigger I already have. Also I hear that newer sigs have a plastic end piece on the hammerspring, wondering if any one knows how to tell on the 229 through the serial number if it is an issue with the 229. guess I could just open it up and see for my self if no one knows. and last does any one have a good .357 barrel for her sig and an HK p2000 they want to sell 321 246 6666
thanks I realy appreciate this. Alex W.

Got a Question for you experts,

just bought a sig 229 DAK in .40 for my girlfriend. Wondering what upgrades there are available. Shes a small gal and I'd like to get the hydraulic slide/spring for lower recoil and a lighter hammer spring to lower the trigger pressure for her. I also want to know if there is a shorter trigger available. I am under the undersatanding that the dak already comes standard with a short trigger but for some reason I feel that there is some more room for adjustment. I just don't want to mistakenly buy the same trigger I already have. Also I hear that newer sigs have a plastic end piece on the hammerspring, wondering if any one knows how to tell on the 229 through the serial number if it is an issue with the 229. guess I could just open it up and see for my self if no one knows. and last does any one have a good .357 barrel for her sig and an HK p2000 they want to sell 321 246 6666
thanks I realy appreciate this. Alex W.

Someone said top funded use sig like fbi Uh no Fbi agents are authorized to use g23

Ok here is my casa after 4 year out of duty becosse I was in military leave I came back to the Puerto Rico plocide departmen and the pd issue to me the stanr issue PRPD S&W 5906 9mm wel I work in the criminal investigacion divicion and my boos reques to the top brass a change of my duty gun 5906 well I get a P229 357 SIG man and I tell you hi I have a glock 31 (357sig ) and a Springfield xd 40 but no one can compeare to the p229 is so smooth the accuracy is well done man I hit a perfec 100 during the night training mean I hit 100 rounds w/low light or no light thi p229 is the best very comfi light wiaght easy to shoot good sight I can ask for more

i hvae had a sig 226 229 239 220 and glock 23 22 30 36 20 19 26 27 i have torture tested all my guns and these two brands have had almost no malfuntions the glocks had none and i had one with sig when i got a buntch of gunk between the hammer and fireing pin both have been accurate and more so with match barrels and caliber conversions the 40 s have gone from 40 to 357 t0 9 in glocks and 357 in sigs no problems and i dont wanna bad mouth any brand but varios 1911 s berretas walthers could not do the same hk almost did as well the usp mark 23 and alike had a couple more malfuctions under extreme abuse the springfield xd did well the smith mp did not it comes down to personal preforence

I do not know much about the Glocks but I do know that I am in the Coast Guard and have served on both a Non-Compliant Boarding team and a Sea Marshal team and both switched from the berreta to the .40 Sig I really enjoyed the weapon and it does its job great.

I'm probably gonna get harassed about this one but here goes...I think people should really stop looking what government offices use for their specific firearms. I can tell you that the "lowest bidder" rule no longer applies but we don't exactly use the best stuff either. Of all the pistols I've fired in nasty enviroments; I'd choose the Glock if given a choice (which usually I'm not). Sure it has it quirks...but what doesn't. However, most pistols only work 100% in more sanitized condtions. Get a little bit (well maybe more than a little) of fine Afghani' dust and sand in that nice Sig and it's performance is going downhill fast. The Glock just keeps on kickin. For utter reliability take the Glock.

BTW...thanks for serving Coastie. Ain't vessel boarding/clearing fun?

I have read the comments above, and the glock-sig pros and cons will always be. As someone said before, there is a reason the glock is compared to the sig and hk, the glock rocks when needed. I own a glock 23, 19 and 30 and also a Sig 229 (.40). Glock and Sig are both great weapons. I am not military or police, but I take my safety and the safety of my family very serious. I shoot the sig for pleasure and keep the glocks for protection! All are loaded with Federal HST!