Les Jones

I'm glad he got mauled. When I heard about it I laughed! I would love to see a video. You play with fire - you get burned!!
I think he watched too many Yogi bear cartoons and got confused.

Not only was he an idiot, he was also a fraud!

How comforting it must be for you two humanitarian perfectionists to luxuriate in the comfort of your keyboard and pass judgment on others. One can only assume you never make mistakes and are gifted with instant enlightenment on all subjects. I am only surprised that you deign to give your attention to the foibles of a mere human from your lofty perches.

Your comments only serve to prove your utter ignorance and inhumanity.

Timothys Friend,

I can tell by your comments that Timothy was a dear friend of yours and I don't blame you for upbraiding the two gentleman for their remarks about your him.

The only thought I have regarding Timothys untimely end, is that I wish the bear that
ate him would not have been dstroyed.On the contrary, I wish.the bear could have roamed his wild home,and crapped Timothy over hill and dale, inthat beautiful portion of Alaska that
Timothy so dearly loved.

I think Timothy would have wanted that, don't
you?

A Friend

He stood for soimething that he believed in, obviously! may you all burn in hell for not showing any remorse for the precious life that was lost! One day when you become dust i would take great honor in pissing over your grave Bitch!

wow some of you guys are sure mean.. you sound like real uneducated friggin morons. have a nice day

Well... the late Mr Treadwell had responsibility to another person who he bamboozled into this stupidity. So she died, because he was a flake, and she was flaky enough to believe that he knew what he was about.
Bears eat anything they can. People are not holy, people are meat. The bears ate Mr Treadwell and his lady. Such is stupidity, and Darwinian fitness rules

I've lived in the town of King Salmon all my life, and it happens to be roughly less than 150 miles from where Timothy was killed. Want some advice from somebody who's REALLY lived with bears? here you go. It's sad when anyone is killed, but he got what he deserved. He may have been stupid, but he made the choice freely. Too bad he dragged someone else into the equation, but then, how smart do you have to be to figure this out? What are bears?
They are omnivorous P-R-E-D-A-T-O-R-S. They have evolved to eat other animals. They're not that cute, they're not cuddly, they're not harmless, and they are most certainly not "party animals". Humans may not be on the main course list, but if you're stupid enough to put yourself into that kind of situation, you deserve everything you get. He may have been "protecting the bears" from non-existant poachers, but he managed to get two of the bears he loved so much killed. This is a classic example of why you shouldn't do drugs. If "frolicking with a bunch of 'harmless', 900 pound predators, whose sole purpose all summer is to eat," starts to sound like a good idea, then you need to have yourself committed, because you're permafried. Plus, how concerned about the welfare of the bears could he have been if he was putting himself into the kinds of situations where bears were in danger of be euthanized because of him. He was simply trying to make himself a name. "the amazing bear-whisperer, author, technical consultant, 'bear expert'" And I suppose the money wasn't a bad thing either. Analyze some quotes from the last hours of his life. "we'll set up camp here... we'll definitely get some good action in this spot." audio only "...God! help me!!! Hit it! Hit it with a skillet!!! ... it's killing me...!!" Wow, I guess he really WAS concerned about the well-being of the bears.

It's sad when humans lose their lives, just not when they lose it due to their own greed and ignorance.

Ty, good post, but you know, I kind of sympathize with the tree-huggers like Treadwell, and his defenders on here, just not to the extent that they insist on humanizing the bears.
For creeping up within feet of them and "serenading" mom and cubs, etc., Treadwell carried whatever distorted desire he had to "help" them, to the extreme of idiocy.
It's just like down here in coastal S.C. When the big West Indian Cyclones start marching across the south atlantic in the summer, it's very exciting to hang out on a jetty or pier and watch their effects. It's also stupid and dangerous. But, it's not a two-way street; when people fart around with the Griz the way Treadwell (and Huguenard) did, they are also putting the bears at risk, by de-sensitizing them to humans.
Was Treadwell so stupid as to think that, if there WERE poachers in Katmai, that by schmoozing with the brownies, he was making them LESS likely to get shot? Evidently, he was.

In the now-famous (and unlikely to be released by the Grizzly People!) tape, after years of "bonding" with the Katmai bears, the "glue" for Treadwell and Huguenard weakened, and they were converted into bearshit. In the event, Treadwell, far from being "proud to be turned into bear scat", evidently screamed in terror, just like some tourist from Cleveland, as large chunks of flesh were torn from his body and swallowed by his fellow "bondee".

In the..."dialogue"... between himself and Huguenard, when he was begging her to come and hit the bear with a frying pan, she seems to have thought better of taking on the largest land carnivore on earth with a skillet, and instead, may have restricted herself to offering some rather belated advice, as Treadwell was getting negatively involved in the food chain.

Obviously, whatever decision she made, it did her no good, as it soon became her turn. Treadwell's "fraternity boy" was nothing if not thorough, in his good-natured hi-jinks with the pair, and it's too bad that their enthusiasm for yet another photo-op, turned into the audio tape from hell. I'll bet they were nice people. I'd have enjoyed meeting them and debating this with them in person.

Now that that isn't possible, as another poster on this thread said, it's unlikely that Treadwell's efforts in ursine research will be repeated, no matter how zealous some of his acolytes may be. I think this is all to the good. The bears of Katmai can go on about their bearish business, and the people, like myself, who respect and admire them, and wish them well (from a few thousand miles away) can read about them and look at photos taken with lenses the size of launch tubes for Stinger Missiles.

Let Treadwell's story be the requiem, not just for himself, but for bear "research" that runs the risk of finding out that a big brownie may prefer Nat King Cole to Frank Sinatra.

Lastly, Merry Christmas, and a big Kodiak "urrp" to all.

Want to see the most truthfull account of Treadwell's misfortune? Check out the upcoming film "Deadly Passion" details for release at:www.cameraq.com

I can't wait to see the "most truthful"! Dave, I keep seeing your postings about Deadly Passion on all of these sites where ignorant mean spirited people speak freely in a cowards paradise- maybe you can have an impact on people who laugh and are happy when someone dies a horrible death.

Timothy Treadwell died from not employing proper bear protection techniques. The film "Deadly Passion" will address that senario along with expert explanations & interviews from Alaskan regional bear experts. The film "Deadly Passion" will examine the fact that humans cannot habituate themselves to coastal brown bears and hopefully will send a message that will educate.... humans & bears do not live in harmony in high density bear habitat. Deadly Passion will be by far the most compelling story of this tragedy, made by Alaskans who are concerned for coastal brown bear ecology and population dynamics.

wow. i just googled timothy's name after hearing about the movie that just premiered at sundance. He may have been too idealistic, but really guys-- to laugh at a person's violent death? you really have no shame about that? it's disgusting. at least the bears eat flesh out of instinct-- as humans, you should know better. instead, you're just assholes. and i bet none of you have a girlfriend either. have fun wanking off in front of the cool screens of your computers, boys.

Hey Kaplan,

When did you become a bear expert/film maker/museum director? I thought you counted little fish for a living.

Since I have spent over 600 days living in remote bear country on Kodiak and the Ak Pen does that mean I am an expert too?

I even met Treadwell once.

Hey Meathead: Never said I was a bear expert and certainly neither are you. It seems to me that you are certainly qualified to be a Meathead. Leave it alone out there, it may still grow.

Some great clear thinking posts here and of course cries from the unnatural nature lovers.
To Timmy's friends, yes, we DO make mistakes, all of us, but we DO try to avoid them and we DO see reality for what it is. Many of us love nature and Griz' as much as you, but we also know to carry an equalizer when on his turf - I'd recommend at least a .44 Magnum. Also keep in mind Griz' can run over 30 MPH and close on you in a few seconds: don't just carry the magnum be proficient with it, and if you can't stay on Hollywood stage sets!
Love nature, don't disrespect it. HBH

I respect a man who will leave the city, go find a connection with nature, etc. The cowards who say things like "I'm glad he got mauled," are sick and twisted sub-humans. Those sick people will never get it. Man has practically destroyed the earth with pollution, war, etc. What Treadwell was doing was statistically a lot safer than driving on any American freeway. At least he had the courage to break away from the madness of "modern civilization." I agree that he should have been more careful. But, like I said, how smart is it to drive 75 miles an hour and risk life an limb? That's just one example of things that people do that are a lot more risky and "crazy" than what Treadwell was doing.

anyone have Jewel Palovak's email?

Hi y'all,

I have to say that I find King Salmoner's commentary both interesting and insightful and I would like to add a comment of my own. The truth is that you don't have to go out into the unspoiled, beautiful wilderness to find tree-hugging kookoobirds that want to cuddle up with grizzly bears, mountain lions, lynxes and other dangerous creatures. There are plenty of nutjobs in the cities that keep predatory animals like 20 foot long pythons, six foot long Nile monitor lizards and even alligators in the same households with small children with the owners of such "sweet pets" claiming that they are so "gentle and placid".

sissy

Having just seen the film "The Grizzly Man" at our local film festival I have to say that I laughed out loud at Timothy Treadwell's antics in the same way that jesters entertained the court in the Middle Ages. And when the King didn't appreciate the jester's jokes he was dispensed with. I guess the grizzly didn't find Tim funny. The odd thing is that we do need people like Tim to make us laugh and appreciate the frailty and the amazing ferocity of nature. It is a real shame he and Amy had to die to get their point across.

After seeing the movie "The Grizzly Man" the conclusion one reaches is that Timoty Treadwall was an adrenalin junkie and a man who suffered from ADD as well as a bipolar disorder. The ranting outtakes at the end are scary. This was not a mentally healthy man, and I'm amazed that people eithr scoffed at him, calling him a crazy animal libber, or held him up as a second St. Francis.

I saw Deadly Passion and thought it was a wonderful film. Very objective and provided some amazing facts.

Poor bastard. But at least he died for something he was passionate about, eventhough he was mentally retareded. Bless his soul.

Hmmmm...."Bear Whisperer" killed by bears. As unthinkable, improbable, unreal, perhaps, as a soldier killed in a war, firefighter killed in a burning building, or a police officer killed during a drug bust? Biggest difference, though, is that all of the latter have given their respective lives in the service of fellow, sentient, human beings. Not lost their lives through hubris and systematic accumulation of ignorance.
Ever hear the old adage; "Familiarity breeds contempt"?
Which is how Tim ultimately came to treat these bear, contemptuously. Because, like any other force of nature; hurricane, tornado, fire, flood, blizzard, earthquake...etc. Grizzly care NOTHING
for ANY human being.
Bear neither knows nor cares of the intentions of a human (however "benign" or "moral" these intentions may be advertised as being), bear has no morality to tell it right from wrong (as defined by these same humans) bear only sees humans as threat or non-threat, food source or inedible, competitor for resources or not, no grey area exists. It's the duty of the Human Being, constantly and exclusively, to be aware of the inescapable, perpetual potential for death and guard against it. Because, as we all know, in an empty-handed struggle bear is always superior.
Bear didn't kill Treadwell, Treadwell killed Treadwell.

I am afraid of black bears here in Pennsylvania when I go hiking and I always carry a firearm -I can't imagine why Tim wouldn't AT LEAST keep a tranquilizer gun handy. Even the "docile" black bear has been known to attack and grizzlies/kodiaks are even more high strung. People are always telling me I'm paranoid, but I hope maybe now some will see that the adage "better safe than sorry" is applicable to bears. yes, a bear will attack you, yes even kill you. and when it's done it just might eat you . . .

Well, for those of you who want comment from a real bear expert....you got one. (Masters Degree, Wildlife Biology, University of Idaho) Studied the critters all of my life.

Treadwell was an IDIOT. I met him, talked to him. His entire perception of our ursine friends came from watching Disney movies. Bears are an ammoral predator.

His death will only become a tragedy if people don't learn their lessons from it. Tree hugging city dwellers got no place in the woods. Stay home...don't send any checks to the Sierra Club, Greepeace, or any of these BS organizations whose oly purpose is to fleece the Treadwells of this world by trying to sell them on an Edenic paradise that has never existed. Nature is cruel yet effecient and doesn't need your dollars....Stay the hell ou of the woods and stop creating problems for me and others who then have to clean up your mess and kill the creatures you think you're protecting.....freakin idiots.

I'm sorry Treadwell and his girlfriend died but I'm more sorry that the bears that ate him were destroyed because of him. Grizzly's aren't teddybears, he was an idiot if you ask me.

For the life of me, I can't understand why Treadwell would bring his girlfried to such a wilderness filled with grizzly bears. I believe that they attacked them, because she was with him, and he was not acting like an animal or bear when she was there. This worked to his undoing, and ultimately lead to his demise and her's. In one of the pictures, Treadwell was kissing a bear in the mouth. Suppose the two bears that killed him and his girlfriend were just jealous bears!

does anyone know where to find the audio?

My understanding is that bears (especially males) are reported to eat the cubs. Is it any wonder they decided to chew on Treadwell and his girlfriend? Play with fire and you get burnt.

Possibily, Treadwell's girlfriend Amy was menstruating and the bear perceived Timothy as a territorial threat. Treadwell was an idiot to endanger the life of an innocent person.

I'm a nature lover, born and raised in the southern Appalachian mountains. I've spent months at a time in the backwoods and had encounters with black bears on dozens of occasions. Treadwell was grossly misled in my opinion. I think his troubled past tells why he took these foolish risky chances. I sincerely love nature also. But a country boy raised around WILD nature would never feel the need to try to commune with grizzlies, only a confused yuppie. Wild nature does not set itself to man's clock, it just does what it does and that's that. But , hey, I respect him on a certain level for getting up off his ass and reaching out for beauty, even if it was in error, unlike alot of folks these days.

Dave, i'd have to disagree with you that there are 'no grey areas' concerning bears...spend real time around them long enough and sure enough, they do have distinct personalities, but yes, one should never feel so confident as to think they can 'know' the bear (familiarity). I've chased off (black) bear easily sometimes, other times stood and watched them for a moment, other times backed off slowly when I had come up on a 'problem' one, I've had false charges, and 1 swipe in 20 years. Never made a video and never want to....Of course a black in the lower 48 is not grizz in Alaska, that's a WHOLE different story . I would'nt think of going in grizzly country without at least some serious pepper spray. I've learned myself that bears are not pseudo automatons, but I will never be confused like Treadwell was, they're still wild nature. Best to observe them from a distance....Treadwell got killed by an older bear, probably hungry and thus forced out of the interior, was supposedly a tagged 'problem' bear in its youth? Spend time in the feeding zone like this dude did and it's really just a matter of number of grizzlies and time before an attack will occur. Griz is king of the food chain and we're on the menu!

Well, I lied.... I'm a human being and a thousand times more unpredictable, fickled, and screwed up than nature. I've decided to turn my bear skills into cold hard cash.... I will go up to Alaska, lasso a grizzly, and saddle him up, ride him around a bit on film if someone will pay me 2 million bucks and make me famous! See!! I'm a human! Are'nt we all so cool?? John Smith (Bear wannabe)

It was sad because he was just trying to live a dream and protect the animals he loved.

I feel really bad for anyone who knew these two and now have to live with the nightmare image that was their death. Indeed, I just heard about this story a few nights ago on a television show and was haunted all night and the day after by the image of the attack. The ironic part was that his naive, yet fame desiring pursuit of close ups with the bears may not have gotten him killed, as it appears that he was simply trying to run a bear out of his camp (the common approach among bear researchers when bears approach their camps).

I think that this story is unique in that it does shed some light on the attempts of many to demonstrate or push the idea that predator animals are simply misunderstood. I see this same phenomenon with many shark researchers, who now have the audacity to argue that great white sharks simply make mistakes when they attack humans. In fact, I have seen three different shows on the discovery channel and national geographic channel showing researchers going out and swimming (out of their cages) with great whites in order to show that they are not interested in humans as food. And I have heard so many divers parrot these same ideas about sharks (and laugh as if I am naive) that it makes me sick to my stomach. Was timothy also attacked by a bear that mistook him for a deer? Sadly, its just a matter of time before one of these shark resarchers is also attacked and we all pause and shake our heads and say what we have always known...that predator animals are unpredictable, and even though humans are not on the top of their food chain, given the right situations, they will purposely attack and eat humans. Is this so hard to accept? Cant we accept this obvious fact and still protect animals? I do feel extremely sad about Timothy and his girlfriend's death, but I also do not appreciate when people try to brainwash us with their agenda, and then die in a manner that depresses us all. Enough of the "animals are misunderstood and not harmful to people" crap..please. It reminds me of a person whose dog attacks a 4 year old girl and then places the blame on the girl for instigating the attack. Its a distorted way of thinking that is very similar to Timothy's ideology. Nope, your lack of understanding or denial that these animals are not entirely predictable and are capable of attaking people is to blame. But, when Timothy was killed, his girlfriend was the only casualty (and she had a choice not to be there if she wanted it). Sadly, when people practice the same ideology with animals that live amonst us, it is the truly the innocent who can be hurt. Please respect animals for their pros and cons and take the correct responsibility for owning them and being around them! Human safety should always come first. Ok, I have respectfully said my peace.

I was born and raised in Alaska. I have lived here 32 years, and have had plenty of encounters with bears of all kinds and other Alaskan wildlife. The only thing any one needs to know EVER, when in the wild is. This is not your living room, your not in your eazy chair, and this is not pay per view. You can die if the danger in front of you does'nt speak your same language. (animal, tornado, hurricane, volcano, river, cliff, or even human being) That language barier can, and most likely will kill you. Dont flirt with the wilderness, unless your prepared and are fully aware that you cant predict everything that happens in the woods. If your not prepared, you should just stay home or except the fact that when you are packing your bags for your weekend in the woods, you should probably update your will and testament and let the babysitter know you might not be comming home. If the animals dont get you the elements shure could. Dont let fear keep you from enjoying life.Get educated before you go.

Does anyone know where to find the audio?

First of all I'm not pleased that any one gets killed no matter how misguided. Mr. treadwell wasn't a vicitm of anything accept his own ego. The idea that any creature weighing 1000 lbs and possessing 5 inch claws is harmless party animal is foolish. Every living thing is imprinted with one desire TO SURVIVE. If an injured or starving carnivore is faced with his own death and is capable of eating you guess what? You're on the menu. To pose as an "expert" and parade around in front of a camera next a top of the food chain preditor is misleading the public into thinking that these are 'harmless" Disney characters. I hope that Mr. Treadwell's death at least serves as a lesson to treat all wild things with the respect that they deserve.

Where oh where can you find the audio? And Ty, leave drugs out of this equation. Hasn't there been enough pain and suffering caused by these events? Must drugs be made to suffer as well?

Treadwell's story reminds me in a lot of ways about the guy in which Into the Wild was written about. For different reasons they both ventured out into the wilderness which, in turn, led to their demise. Be it their actions or their ignorance or their courage, I don't believe anyone has the right to point a finger at who is to blame except those who were there at the time. And, evidently, the wilderness prefers not to be involved in squabbles such as this.

My guess is that whoever owns the rights to the tape of Timothy and Amie being eaten by that grizzly (who I do feel sorry for--he was not a monster, just a hungry old bear doing what came naturally) is probably keeping pretty tight control over its dissemination precisely so that it doesn't end up on the Internet. I'm thinking that the scene in "Grizzly Man" in which Werner Herzog is shown crying as he listens to the tape on headphones may have been staged that way precisely because the Treadwell estate or whoever owns the tape wouldn't let him use even an excerpt in the film's soundtrack, again because once it got into the film it would end up on Rotten.com. This isn't to say that it isn't as horrifying as has been described. Probably only a hard-core sadist would be able to listen to two human beings being eaten alive by a bear and not wish that s/he hadn't.

It amazes me that there are so many people that walk this earth with the ability to pass judgement on a man that they never knew. Undoubtably, more people will come away from seeing the documentary with the mis-guided opinion that Timothy was a foolish, arrogant, reckless individual whose mind had achieved a dilusional level of fantasy by living with bears. In the mere 103 minutes that they view this film, droves of people will determine that Timothy Treadwell was purely and simply an idiot. What amazes me even more is the overwhelming consensus that his time with these bears projected dangerous messages to mankind that grizzlies were misunderstood and alas approachable. The people that share that opinion along with those that carry dimestore psychology degrees are the truly foolish inhabitants of our society.

I met Timothy in 1992 while I was working in a photolab in Northridge, CA. He came in with these beautiful images of Alaskan wildlife in search of low cost photofinishing for his non-profit grizzly awareness organization. He was soft-spoken, humbly dressed (understatement) and riding an old beat-up Kawasaki motorcycle. The pictures he had us print out were for the purpose of handing out to the scores of school children that he presented his slide shows to. We were simply fascinated by these images of Grizzlies and the insight they provided into their world. I regret now that I was never able to attend one of the many workshops Tim gave despite the many kind invitations. Timothy didn't con us into special pricing, we were happy to participate in his passion in any way that we could. He was genuine in every degree. Timothy made it known to us that we were always welcome to print and keep any number of pictures of his slides for ourselves. He was almost embarrassed on one occasion when I asked him to autograph several of his photographs that I had output for myself. Upon agreeing to do so, Timothy scrolled his name in tiny letters to avoid taking away from the true message of his work, the bears. In his book, Among Grizzlies, Timothy gave thanks to me. my girlfriend Laura and many others to show his gratitude for helping him in those early years
of his work.

I'm not a trusting man by nature but I never questioned the sincerity of his story, his effort or his passion. Nor do I now. On a handful of occasions, I had the opportunity to spend time with Tim socially. He never wore his cause on his sleeve by attempting to be the center of attention with stories of living amongst grizzly bears. The man was genuinely kind, caring and more than willing to engage in conversation about what was going on in our own personal lives. I never inquired into his past or the origin of his accent but I was somewhat astonished to hear him confess of his former lifestyle of inebriation. He didn't seem capable of ever having been anything other than the sweet spirit that he projected.

I suppose a good chunk of the population would prefer he died anonymously, on the dirty streets in a drunken driving accident rather than see his sensationalized death awarded fame for engaging in a seemingly foolhearted attempt to understand and appreciate the precious existence of creatures with whom we share this world. Yet, it affords them the opportunity to share with all of us, the danger of risk and the wisdom of ignorance.

But, I knew the man, Timothy Treadwell. In doing so, I'll go to my grave, in whatever manner, knowing that those years he spent with the bears of Alaska brought fulfillment to his soul in a way few people will ever hope to achieve. Rest in peace, my brother to the bear. We who love you know your truth.

Jay Darrough
Dallas, TX

Well put, Mr. Darrough. 12+ years of doing what he did must certainly earn Timothy Treadwell respect from any intelligent person. I'm shocked at the insensitivity and ignornance illustrated in some of the posts I read and can only assume they are merely jealous of what a simple man like Mr. Treadwell accomplished....as they sat on their butts in front of their computer screens passing judgment.

The fact that Treadwell lasted as long as he did out there amazes me. I saw "Grizzly Man" last night and came away with one conclusion. The man needed help. It was stated in the movie that Mr. Treadwell was diagnosed with some disorder or another and was prescribed medication, which he refused to take. I am convinced that Treadwell posessed a death wish. The man knew it was only a matter of time before his number was up. I just cannot comprehend why he would subject his friend amy to such a grizzly fate as well. It is my humble opinion that his friends, family, and the NPS could have clearly seen this was the case and taken some action or another to improve the mans emotional state of being. I understand he was passionate, but it was my contention that society failed him by not getting him the help he truly needed. I'm not a doctor by any means but I am not so stupid as to see when someone is in trouble.

I have always been into wildlife and nature.
I have done things like Treadwell like others have done. messed with wildlife knowing the danger. but I loved to learn from nature. I would not mind hearing the audio to this. I would not wish I never heard it. If the audio was out to the public it would sure as hell teach others mistakes to all more clear. but I can imagine what it sounded like. I no longer pester wildlife just becuse you can't have good luck all the time every time. close call or ending up as poo. never been to Alaska but I have had family go to the wilds there and never comeback. take it easy, think ahead.

I'm suprised he lasted as long as he did. Obviously not as smart as he thought he was. Wild carnivores are very dangerous flesh eating organisms, they are mindless and will eat each other with cold hearted brutality . It was a shame his life had to end unnecessarily; he could have done much more for the bears if he would have behaved more responsibly. Ask any person who lives in the bush and has to deal with the bears in a real way, like guarding their children and livestock. What a waste. I'm sure his concept of bears and bear behavior changed while he was being eaten alive. I hope it serves as a lesson for those who think they know what they're doing when living among the bears.

I see a lot of folks on here alternately ridiculing and sanctifying Treadwell. I never met the guy so I can't effectively pass judgement on HIM, I will however judge his ACTIONS. Those which got him, and his unfortunate and apparently gullible girlfriend killed. His actions were criminally self-delusional and ultimately suicidal; and, if you count the girlfriend as an unwilling participant: murderous. Just like the junkie who sticks a needle in his arm once too often, the chronic drunk who climbs behind the wheel that one last time, or even, say, a veteran skydiver who becomes complacent in his gear check on what then becomes his final jump, Treadwell ultimately allowed his internal subjective belief system to completely override his ability to deal rationally with external objective reality.
He "forgot": "You can believe what you want to believe, but it won't change reality".
Humans can be quite good at creating entire universes which exist only in their own minds, yet this is not reality. A hungry or threatened Grizzly on the offensive, no matter your beliefs, is sheer, abject, irrefutable, reality.
I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that he was a sweet, sincere, kind, loving, dedicated guy. And all of these commendable traits were absolutely inconsequential. They mattered not the least in his ability to assess his situation nor, in what may pass for a Bears thought processes, in it's quest for nourishment and assessment of Treadwell as a food source. You may choose not to believe in Gravity, but you will still fall when leaping from a bridge. You may choose not to believe in combustion as you stride bravely into an inferno, you will still burst into flames. Or; if you choose to believe that these huge, indifferent, uncaring carnivores are the kind, harmless cartoon characters of your imagination, you will be consumed. A very unkind truth of life is that it only takes that one final, fatal act of ignorance to completely expose and repudiate your life of fantasy. Treadwell's finality simply had the additional tragedy of public scrutiny.

I grew up in central British Columbia. I spent my childhood outside exploring the woods. There were two animals I did not want to run into, Grizzly Bears and Mountain Lions. Treadwell was clearly delusional, it is a very sad thing to see someone who so obviously had a mental disorder allowed to continue on such a self destructive path. I do not know his personal situation, if he had family or relatives who should have stepped in. Perhaps they were just happy to see that he had cleaned up.

Whatever the case, I think we can safely say Mr Treadwells heart was in the right place, his head just wasnt.

I don't think I could watch the movie Grizzly Man, though I considered doing so when it came to a film festival in my city. Personally, my belief is that Treadwell's mental disorder led him to live with the grizzlies and to ultimately end up killed by one. I myself love bears - I wrote an article about two polar bear cubs at the local zoo, and I joke that I'm not boy-crazy; I'm bear-crazy - but that "love" isn't the kind of love that I would feel for a cat or dog, where I want to live right with them. Enjoy nature, but know when to keep your distance when necessary

After reading and seeing the video clip of his up coming or released movie "Grizzly man" I am quite blown away. My personal view is this guy was gifted to a degree. What I have read and seen through video clips of the closeness he developed with bears is unique.

Some say he is a flake, well to a degree he went further out on limb then many would. BUT I see no difference between him and the crocodile guy from down under as well. They both share a huge fascination and passion of their choice of wildlife. The only thing is one is toast because he just pushed the envelope a little fair. I will see this movie asap. I had thought at one time their was leaked audio of the attack. All I can think is that what went on in the last few moments for both those persons should be left alone.

Some call him a flake, I do not look at him that way at all I just think this was his passion and you know what he died for it. He had a knack to be among bears more so than many to date. It is amazing in its own on how close he was able to put himself with bears over his 13 yr run. One thing for sure is he has provided some awesome footage of a wild and unique animal, the grizzly.

For that I appreciate what he has done and feel sorry for what happened to his companion but I truly think it was only a matter of time......

I have sympathy and admiration of Tim...

Although I believe he stepped out on a risky limb, it was his choice and his life...

I hope the highs of his accomplishments in some way equalized his early death... And as far as his girl friend was concerned, she also made her choices, she wasnt a hostage...

This is the logic I find in what they did. As a mountaineer (only one of many dangerous passions folks are partaking in out there in their own self intrest), a person takes the risks for the benefits as they see fit...

In the presence of the natural world, the sheer power and deadliness of it all also reveals its stunning beauty in the most humbling of all human experiences...

All of you armchair quarterbacks sitting out there passing judgment don't know crap... You will never feel it, only read about it intellectually...

Finding the boundaries of risk on any true venture will always be a grey area, even for the adventurer considered the most sane...

What really pisses me off is this idiot, "David Kaplan" trying to make a buck off of someone he doesnt even respect... Disgusting piece of (ahem) yeah you know...

~ CountingCoup

Wasn't Tim really just showing us something about America? Heeehe. Would a poor person from a third world country ever possibly have this great need to do such a thing? Or for that matter a poor person from our own streets? Tim was a white suburbanite reaching out for truth, was he not simply a punk skateboarder who got a thrill when a thousand pound dog took an interest in him? Heehe. And this talk about let's "save" the bear while we pursue our next documentary, desensitize the bear? Hmmmm...all these folks pursuing their 'pure' interests, loving the grizzlies up close, climbing mountains, hanging by 1 hand and shit for that extra special pic, in their own little clan with its own rules, language, gortex hugging their ass and all, etc. that is closed to the rest of us, that we "will never feel" what they feel? What do I say? WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS? Leave your Malibu and reach out to the have not's of our so called civilized society. Making real contact with hurting people in need, that's something real, something genuine, that cannot be bought. That is what your after, isn't it? Did Isaac Newton ever climb your mountain? So he did'nt FEEL what you felt when you did. Damn, that was a great loss. I myself felt great passing a great clinker this morning and it is a pity that you will just never understand because you were'nt there, damn you!! Heehe

If I thought you knew shit about Issac Newton we could have a discussion on its relevence to this subject, but its off topic and comparing physics and third world country motivation to pursuing a passion in your life that may involve risks is like comparing bartending and poetry. There is no connection, have another drink...

As far as comparing mountaineering to thrill seeking just shows how out of touch you are with "feeling it"...

And as far as if I care whether you give a Rats Ass about anything is presumptious on your part. Get another bag of chips, turn off your reality tv program and sit down and think of a good point for your next post, since you haven't made one yet...

~ CountingCoup

If I thought you knew shit about Issac Newton we could have a discussion on its relevence to this subject, but its off topic and comparing physics and third world country motivation to pursuing a passion in your life that may involve risks is like comparing bartending and poetry. There is no connection, have another drink...

As far as comparing mountaineering to thrill seeking just shows how out of touch you are with "feeling it"...

And as far as if I care whether you give a Rats Ass about anything is presumptious on your part. Get another bag of chips, turn off your reality tv program and sit down and think of a good point for your next post, since you haven't made one yet...

~ CountingCoup

Question: Why must so many of you continue to analyze Timothy's life as if were some kind of instructional manual on the disturbed? Do we think that because of books and film that we have been presented with the entire scope of reality? If you didn't know him, any opinion or analytical diagnosis you share is stinking up the room with verbal flatulence. You have nothing to compare his story to other than what you've read or seen as presented by a third party.

Granted, I was shocked, literally, to hear that Amie had been killed alongside Timothy. I never, ever, would have imagined that he would allow another person to go with him to Alaska. He knew the danger was just too great. For anyone to suggest that he coerced, convinced or commanded Amie to accompany him out there only illustrates the ignorance it takes to make such a statement. I can only guess, and I'm in danger of joining those that foolishly made statements based on analysis, but I can only guess that Amie must have done quite a bit of campaigning or pleading with Timothy in order for him to agree to have her with him for more than a short period of time. He must truly have thought that he had found a soulmate in Amie because no other person in his life could possibly have been invited to join him. That realization likely cost him their lives. He knew and emphasized that what he did was not child's play. I have theorized, early on, that perhaps Amie's menstrual cycle may have contributed to the behavior of the bear responsible for killing them...an opinion shared here in a post by D. Leidel. I heard nothing from the autopsy that confirms or denies whether this is true. That is the only factor that I can come up with that varied from Timothy's presence of the 12 years prior. Timothy had the trust of these bears. It cannot be denied when one realizes that maternal bears left their cubs with him nearby to foriage in another location. To me, that is the most astonishing aspect of Timothy's research in all of the time he spent with them. It is unheard of.

I'll grant some credence to the idea that Timothy had definitely drifted into a dilusional state. His mannerisms in the film did disturb me. The person he was in this film was sensational to say the least. Comparing that man to the man I met over 10 years ago he appeared to be quite comically dramatic with regard to his role in protecting the bear. I'm not ever going to say that there was a side to Timothy that I never met. I believe there is a side to everyone that stays in the shadows of our minds. But Timothy shot straight with me. I demanded that from him and anyone I consider friend. He did not wish to die and the loving, caring core that defined his persona wanted harm to befall noone.

Grizzly Man
I went to see the Timothy Treadwell documenatary tonight. It is a great film. Werner Herzog did an amazing job piecing together Treadwell's footage to tell a story of his life's work and death in the wilderness. Although I disagree with Herzog's view of the wilderness as "a natural kingdom filled with chaos and violence", I clearly see Treadwell's view as the extreme oppostite of the wilderness particulary regarding the grizzly bear.
Without having known him or seeing all 100 hours of Treadwell's footage it is impossible to accurately judge him, based soley on the footage Herzog chose to use in his film. I have had an opportunity to see some footage while Treadwell was still living. My impression was that the work he was doing with the bears was sensational and that he was studying the animals too closely. It was apparent, based on his approach to his work, that he was neither a trained researcher or a scientist. The film confirms my initial impression was correct and that Treadwell was probably also emotionally unstable, somewhat dilusional about his relationship with the bears and highly eccentric. Also, some of the facts of Treadwell's life points to a desire to acheive fame and recognition. Something he was obviously hoping to acheive with his work with the grizzly bear. Still, his 13 years of devoted work in Alaska's Katmai National Park documenting the life of the grizzly is impressive, enlightening and will prove to be very valuable. He managed to capture many hours of brilliant footage and photography of bear, the surrounding wilderness and other animals, such as the fox. He had charming relationships with several individual fox. Even his death, while tragic, especially the death of his girlfriend Amie, still has to be admired for the fact he died doing the one thing he loved.

Wow, almost speechless, which doesn't happen often. I just saw the Discovery Channel - Anatomy of a Bear Bite and my morbid curiosity brought me here to the computer to maybe, just maybe, find a snipit from that audio tape on the internet. Sucks that I'd want to actually hear two people being killed in such a horrific way. But, what suprised and shocked me more than anything about the program, the attack (from a wild creature which everyone knows are unpredictable) or my own desire to hear the audio was coming here to read some of the posts. Why on earth I was so shocked to read how totally unconcerned, uncaring and just plain empty hearted some people in the world can be, I'll never know. I mean it's on the news every day but reading someone's thoughts being but to paper with such malice, blame, ugliness ... wow. Actually, I feel sorry for the people that posted those things about his and his companions death. How very sad and empty your life must be to see things through hollow eyes. Oh, and I no longer want to hear the audio.

For starters, let's clear some things up. People who mock the death of another human being are the ones who belong in the digestive tract of a bear. And I'm not just saying that. Secondly, having read the book written by the third party observer it's clear that Treadwell did understand the danger involved. He simply chose to disregard it. Of course anyone who believes that he "Got what he deserved," had better pray to God that poetic justice doesn't pay them a visit if they disregard traffic laws, safety procedures, swim in the ocean where sharks may be present at any time or takes risks with their lives. Perhaps some of you may "Get what you deserve" as well, and may you be treated with the same respect you've shown this man. Hey, while we're on the subject Treadwell wasn't killed while photographing bears, he was killed defending his tent from a potentially aggressive bear. The fiend!

One thing I'm REALLY curious about: how would getting cuddly with bears (as Timothy did) save them from humans?
Ok, so what IF bears are completely harmless? So are birds and many other creatures, yet 1 species still goes extinct every few hours. I thought Timothy was at least somewhat educated, so shouldn't he realize that it's mainly habitat loss that kills animals? (not because bear-phobic humans kill them out of fear)
Even if Timothy successfully proved that bears are completely harmless, his efforts would've been a complete waste (in terms of actually protecting the bears).

As a consumate animal lover and I must say that I feel a certain kinship with Timothy and his appreciation of the bears. He had the courage of his conviction, a trait I deeply admire. Mankind seemingly feels nothing towards the tragic extintion of so many species, and it is heartening to see true passion, however naive. Are we so terribly arrogant to believe that mans interest and convience come at the expense and very existance of another living species? Surely, man himself can be the most trite of all the good Lords' creatures. We say, bless you Mr. Treadwell, we hope you have found peace.

I actually did a review on Grizzly Man. Here it is:

Review of Grizzly Man

A couple of years ago my brother told me of a man who had lived among grizzly bears in Alaska and was later killed by one. This man had apparently thought that grizzlies could be tamed and taught not to attack humans. Evidently he was wrong. I then vaguely remembered seeing a magazine article with a photograph of a man standing face to face with a large bear. Though I didn’t connect the picture with my brother’s story at first, they came together for me with the recent release of the documentary Grizzly Man.

The title character of the film refers to Timothy Treadwell, a self-described bear expert and freelance environmentalist who spent time with the grizzlies of Alaska’s Katmai National Park for thirteen summers in a row. In October 2003, he, along with his latest girlfriend Amie Huguenard, was fatally mauled by a hungry bear.

Directed and narrated by veteran German filmmaker Werner Herzog, Grizzly Man includes footage Treadwell took of himself, the park, and the animals there - mostly bears, but foxes too - as well as interviews with people who knew him, such as his parents, an ex-girlfriend, and friends of both sexes. There is even a clip of Treadwell being interviewed by David Letterman.

The scenes from Katmai Park are so breathtakingly beautiful that it is almost worth seeing the movie just for them. The bears are another story. When the first shot of Treadwell standing unarmed (he never took bear spray, let alone weapons, on his visits) in the middle of the park with the bears came on, I felt scared, as if it were me there. I then relaxed, though, on watching him get up close to the bears, talk to them, and touch their noses. He treats the foxes almost like dogs: he pets them, has them lie at his feet and so on. The fox cubs pictured are adorable. Grizzly Man is obviously a fascinating film for people interested in wildlife.

We also learn about Tim Treadwell’s life. He was born in New Jersey to a middle-class American family. His parents describe his childhood as normal. They note he always loved animals. Though he received a swimming scholarship to a college, he eventually dropped out of school and moved to Malibu, California.

A darker side of Treadwell later emerges, however. After trying out but failing to get the role of the bartender in the TV series Cheers [note: some sources say Treadwell’s claim to have auditioned for Cheers was not true; see my note on his habit of stretching the truth], he went on a downward spiral. He began drinking excessively, taking drugs, and became very depressed. A former girlfriend of his mentions that he fell in with dangerous people. He also refused the medication his doctor prescribed for depression.
Nevertheless, Treadwell managed to overcome his alcoholism and drug addiction. He made a promise to the bears that he would give up drinking and devote his life to them, and so began his journey to Alaska every summer for the next thirteen years.

Werner Herzog is careful to present a balanced picture of Treadwell by interviewing both people who thought well of him and those who did not. Treadwell’s ex-girlfriend speaks of him fondly. Together they founded a group called Grizzly People to help the bears. Two environmentalists praise his efforts to raise awareness about the grizzlies’ plight. Other interviewees, though, are less complimentary. The pilot who took Treadwell to Katmai Park every summer describes him as an arrogant attention seeker and blames him for Amie Huguenard’s death. An Alaskan Native man, the curator of a museum, is sceptical of Treadwell’s tendency to approach the bears as if they were domestic animals. Alaskan Natives, he says, have shown their respect for the grizzlies for thousands of years by keeping their distance from them. (The curator’s words reminded me of those of an Irish woman who was baffled by British animal rights activists barricading themselves in front of cattle trucks to stop the cows from being slaughtered. In Ireland people regarded the killing of cows for food as part of the life cycle.)

So was Timothy Treadwell a glory seeker or a friend and defender of the grizzly bears? I would say a bit of both. It is true that much of the footage he shot was of himself rather than the bears. On the other hand, he genuinely loved the bears. His weeping over a dead bee seems to show a concern for all creatures, even if that concern appears somewhat misplaced.

One reason for Treadwell’s seemingly eccentric behaviour which is touched upon but never explored in detail is the fact that he was probably mentally ill. Some sources suggest he had bipolar disorder, or manic depression. This disease causes patients to have manic “highs” and alternate periods of depression (“lows”). We hear of Treadwell’s depression from his ex-girlfriend. In the footage of himself in Alaska, we see his manic side. One example is his illusion of grandeur: he views himself as the bears’ only protector against poachers and the indifference of the US parks authorities. When he rails against the park rangers and their superiors, shouting obscene language and giving the finger to the camera, he looks positively insane. The signs of bipolar disorder seem to have been present before his pilgrimage to Alaska. One symptom is a penchant for spinning extravagant and unlikely stories. For instance, in Malibu Treadwell told people he was an Australian orphan (how he expected them to believe this boggles the mind; after all, it’s hard to pretend to be Australian without the right accent).

I therefore came to the uneasy conclusion that Treadwell’s work with the grizzlies may very well have stemmed from a chemical imbalance in the brain rather than the noble desire to defend the bears or the not so noble one to attract attention. He thus perhaps deserves to be pitied instead of glorified, ridiculed, or condemned, as some people have done. Yet even a “normal” person might recognize aspects of him- or herself in Treadwell. For example, he credits his recovery from alcoholism and drug addiction to the bears in the same way that others attribute theirs to God or Jesus. While he states at one point, “I have no idea whether there’s a God,” the need to believe in something greater than oneself - in Treadwell’s case, the bears - is a universal human characteristic.

I suppose I identified to a certain extent with Treadwell’s fondness for animals. I happen to love bears. I once told a woman who sold carvings of bears that I wasn’t boy-crazy; I was bear-crazy. I also see how some people’s attachment to animals can at times become unreasonable. For instance, the late Canadian Prime Minister William Mackenzie King claimed to communicate with the spirit of his dead dog. But like the Alaskan Native curator, I believe in keeping a respectful distance from the bears. Maybe Treadwell’s foray into the Alaskan wilderness symbolized modern man’s longing for a more “natural” environment away from the artificiality of urban life.

So as an animal lover and movie watcher, I recommend seeing Grizzly Man.

I bet Timothy Treadwell would have negative feelings about Leonardo DiCaprio getting the starring role in the movie that is to be made sometime soon. He would probably have feelings of envy and jealousy if he were alive. But I have no doubts that movie will be a blockbuster. We really are living in crazy times where the line between reality and fantastic idealism can be grey. As I have read about this tragedy, I ran the gamout of emotions ranging from deep sympathy for the victims to inevitable boredom. And that is the really good reason they should not have sacrificed their lives...no one really cares about them or the bears. (yawn) ....bears! I always hated the look of those ugly critters! I will see the films and read the books anyway, the scenery looks wonderful, so thanks much, Timothy. I will think a nice prayer for you and Amie. May God rest your eternal souls. Or maybe reincarnate you as you wish. hmmmm interesting word...reincarnate.

I can't seem to find out (read) why no one communicated better with each other and warned Timothy about the extra bear fights (different bear behavior such as the bears not leaving scraps of salmon they caught, but eating them entirely and fighting for that scarce salmon...also the scarce berries etc. that summer of 2003.) and the EXTRA 60 bears in the area that October. This was reported by the small group of photographers that were 5 miles in a straight line from where Timothy was that day. Timothy had (a telephone) means of communication with Willy Fulton (the pilot) that was scheduled to pick them up that day. That is the real stupidity in this world, all these people have all kinds of tele-communication, think they are doing their jobs, and yet not one of them thinks to avoid a tragedy. The man or woman that has wisdom among caos is a real leader. It's too bad more people aren't more concerned with others and the possible danger they might be in. To go that extra mile for the "Timothys of the world" that have a difficult time heeding the advice of others. The people that knew Timothy was child-like (perhaps mildly retarded) should have had his best interests at heart. Why didn't Jewel keep in communication with the park officials, ask about the bear situation? This was different situation in 2003, Timothy had not stayed in the area as long as into the month of October before, he had always left at the end of the summer, when "his" bears went into hibernation. They (Jewel and the others that funded Grizzly People) DID know something about bear behavior, read about it, talked about it, didn't they? Katmai Park officials would have told Jewel the unusual bear situation that October...the scarce food (berries etc.) that summer. She was not unable to take care of important matters. She had the fore-thought to get the legal matters (the will, power of attorney) taken care of. Maybe all these people deserved each other...I don't know. It's likely Amie was miss-directed. Maybe she was perfect for Timothy. Her father tells her about the "nut-case" and she goes right ahead and starts up a romance with him. If I was Timothy and Amie's parents, I would sue them all. Maybe that is why after talking to her high-powered attorney Jewell (or they) told the police in Alaska that Timothy was "estranged" (or words to that affect) from his parents, and she had power of attorney. Those people think of everything don't they?....except what possibly could have saved the lives of Timothy and his lady friend. PS: Last night I happened to see on TV, the movie "Outdoor /something with John Candy and the hideous grizzly bear scene. That scene was not funny (as I saw before), but horribly ugly now that I see what Timothy and Amie faced on their dying day. That hugh, gaping, ugly mouth and sound...horrible. I do not see what beauty is in these fat, ugly, fighting and killing among themselves animals when they are not sitting like some dumb "teddy bears" on the meadow!

I just finished watching Grizzly Man and have mixed views. The guy definitely died doing what he loved, but he was eccentric at the very least.

Now for the part that mostly gets ignored here as I am sure it will this time as well. I have heard that the audio is floating around in cyber space somewhere but can't seem to find it. Anyone know if this is true and perhaps where?

While Timothy Treadwell might have possessed good intentions, he needlessly placed himself in a dangerous situation. Grizzly bears are extremely unpredictable animals, and for Treadwell to actually cohabitate with them was brazen but at the same time foolhardy. Even his closest friends said he should not have pursued such a suicidal endeavor, and the fact that another human being, Amy Huguenard, was also killed only compounds the tragedy. Timothy simply made one fatal error and that was it. He had left food out unattended at his campground, which caught the attention of one of the bears. When Timothy went out to investigate, the bear understandably felt he was being encroached upon and attacked, killing him and Amy both. In conclusion, though Timothy Treadwell possessed some limited knowledge about grizzly bears due to his many experiences with him, it was ultimately an accident waiting to happen.

Like all possible disasters or thing that could go wrong when camping under the stars; one has to be prepared;be prepared to take care of herself then the one you may be with; then plan B for the big shibang!! I can't say I would put my living quarters & the smells that sloughs off of my gear right in the middle of a bear thouroughfair (sp) but I can tell you that if I did I would be ready to protect my brain and run like the wind!
I beleive that Timothy had a death wish. Those of us that have done the drug scene, the highs & lows, the all alone & all I need is this chair, as this ashtray. recognized his behavior. I was much more surprised that a bear didn't just bite his fuckin nose right off being fed up with being baby talked to then his actual, painful, long & lonely expiration of a heart so full of needing to belong.

I was living in King Salmon in 2003 when Timothy was killed. State Troopers tried to stop him from going into that area. State Troopers also were very concerned that he did not have any protection. He was very aware of the danger and he went in there any way. I have lived in Alaska for 11 years and I never go into the wilderness without my 454 or 500 S&M. It is better to have a gun and not need it, then need and a gun and not have it and by the way I harvested a nice nine foot bear that year and can not wait to get another.

Aside from the insane looking coroner - did anyone else ever see the autopsy report? Is Treadwell really dead - is he still out there marvelling at the attention....and living in peace somewhere...?

I just watched "Grizzly Man". I live each day with someone suffering from bipolar disorder. Five minutes into the film the signs were clear to me. When you live it, you tend to recognize it easily. His friends mentioned his sever mood swings, deep depression, etc.
He was obviosuly self-destructive, another symptom. His racing thoughts from mania came out clearly in his insane babbling and repetitive manner of speech. Another symptom was his obvious feeling of invincibility. All bipolars when in a manic high feel that they are totally invincible. "nothing can harm me!"
He obviously suffered from paranoia as well. Feeling the world was out to get him. I personally think his "so-called" friends could have helped him more by getting medical treatment for him instead of raising him higher on his self made pedestal. His so-called work did much more harm than good. You DON'T go into the wild and try to tame God's wild creatures. And he certainly wasn't protecting them.
As the saying goes..."sometimes you eat the bear, but sometimes the bear eats you..."

To you idiotic cowards who type your BS about Tim, I would like to see you walk up to a full sized Grizzly and have it snap at you and you in turn slap it!!!!!!!! You would mess all over yourselves!!! Especially the sissy that talks how he is it happened. You are a piece of dung!!!!!!!
Timothy had a passion that your conventional life could never come close to...
Some call it stupidity but oh what those people lack in human spirit.
Timothy was a man among the most feared Bears an he loved them like brothers. The one thing that upsets me is he should have put Amy on that plane...
If God granted your wish Tim, then I know you still walk among the Grizzlies...

MY OPINION IS THE AUDIO TAPE OF TIM AND AMY'S BRUTAL DEATH SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE AND LISTENED TO BY PEOPLE BEFORE THEY ENTER THE REFUGE!!!
AS GRUESOME AS IT IS, IT WOULD CERTAINLY STOP THE DEAD HEADS FROM VENTURING OUT WHERE THEY DON'T BELONG.
AS FOR TIMOTHY, HE DIED WHAT HE LIVED FOR AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. CRAZY YES, BUT I DO ADMIRE ANYONE THAT DOESN'T BACK DOWN FROM A FULL GROWN GRIZZLY WITH NO GUN...CAN YOU DO THAT???

If I was a bipolor tree hugging freak from the lower forty eight I would stand up to any bear on this planet, but I am not. I came to Alaska to enjoy all of its beauty and activities in peace. Do all Alaskans a favor and keep your tree hugging asses out of my state our it might not be the bear that gets you!!!

to the guy who is writing to the so-called "idiotic cowards"...walking up to a bear and slapping it isn't brave, it's just stupid!
Timothy had NO clue what he was doing. He was a disturbed amateur that was destined for nothing more than the death he got. So let me get this straight...people that DON'T walk up to an 800 pound wild grizzly and slap it in the head have a lack of human spirit. WOW!...talk about delusional. If you feel that way, why aren't you taking up where he left off? The harm that man did to those bears is appallable. He tried to get wild grizzlies to be used to humans. Talk about a poachers dream. A bear that doesn't run away when he sees a human. but instead walks up to it so he can get shot between the eyes. Yup, makes perfect sense to me!the guy named Hunter above is right. Stay the Hell away from Alaskan bears! They have as much right to their privacy as any creature on this planet. And if you REALLY think timothy was protecting the bears from poachers, go read the statistics!

I found your discussion while researching sept.11th and coming across Timothy's name on a site. I somehow had missed the big story of Amie and his death,and had been playing catch up. I came in at the top of this and I must say I am shocked by some of the negative commentary. Timothy was not a pioneer in risk, there are many brushing the nervous sweat from their brow saying a collective "phew". We even called/call some of them brave,daring, we glorify the gangster,killer,terrorist..... Why should we think we are somehow better? Today in my city it may be just as dangerous to go clothes shopping and I am not exaggerating. In a six week period two brothers, under 21 my best friends nephews have been murdered. A young girl just shopping on boxing day,dead. On my suburban street a woman was beaten with a baseball bat,a man murdered in his home. I see people stagger out to their cars and proceed to take all our lives into their hands,jay walkers,speeders,red light runners,drug users,sky divers,and why would anyone want to climb a mountain??? Maybe for the credit card commercials? I know little about the personal life of "the man who loved bears too much", I never had the pleasure so I have no right to say anything. (Talking about his mental state, are we his doctor?) Nor should anyone else unless it is to fact find, learn, then neither Timothy,Amie nor the bears will have died in vain :) To his friends ,he is a very lucky man. To his nay sayers, and debunkers, all I can say is look both ways/Be careful in the ashphalt jungle! Now I must go find a listing for the movie....~©I©V©~

Sounds like rjace52 needs to move to a new city. I do not know your situation or what keeps you in a place like the one your living in but thats not living, that's hell!! Good luck!

Is he really dead? Is everyone really sure of that?

… and so I see humor in the posts.

First off let me say I respect anyone that would swim with sharks, walk with grizzlies, sky-dive, or hell even put a single bullet in a siz shooter spin the cylinder, place it to your head and pull the trigger. Why? Simple it takes guts to do any of the above, but it does not mean you are an “expert” if you live, no matter how many times you do it. Putting yourself in harms way and getting killed does not make you a dead hero, no matter how you do it. However, I have to respect those who are stupid enough, cocky enough, or just plain mentally damaged enough to do it. Do not make the mistake of calling people like this brave or heroic, and never put them up on high with statements that they are more enlightened or see the world in a far better light. Fact is anyone can do it; the only thing that stops most of us is a respect for life, fear of god and plain old commonsense.

One might argue that Timothy went to the wonderful woods because he could not hack it in the real world, which is in fact much harder then playing with the “Party Animals”. That said I envy him because he did make that break, which may in fact be just as hard.
In reading all these posts I notice several things. Mostly that everyone things they have the only view that matters. That’s moronic!

In the posts I see hatful people, weak people, one person has a penis fetish, idealistic dorks, extremists, and realists.
Thank the liberals for the weak legal system that makes it possible for living in the city to be far more dangerous than living with the bears. You are most likely a moron if you think we can have a world with out war, sin, hate and other evils. So too are you an idiot to think that being passive about anything will suddenly cause the world to erupt in gooey peaceful stuff. PEOPLE GROW UP!

We live in a blameless society; it’s not your fault when your kids going bad. It’s not your fault if you can’t cope with life, it’s ADD, or Bi-Polar disorder, or some depression. It’s not your fault if you can’t get a job, even though there are hundreds of them out there. No, no, no it’s all something someone else did or some social break down. So lets all blame society for Timothy’s death, it cannot be the bears they were just doing what bears do. It cannot be his own fault he was just LIVING life. Oh wait! Better yet lets blame the government, which seems to be the flavor of the times… AGAIN PEOPLE GROW UP!

So now unless you are cheering my rant, you are likely an idealistic moron with some sick, warped thought that being a pacifistic weakling will right the wrongs of the world and we will one day all live in peace. RIGHT!
Timothy got hit by a Gump-izm – “stupid is as stupid does”. No need to be sad, he died doing what he wanted. This is no different that jumping from a plane or driving a racecar. But! Do not call a thrill seeking moron an “expert” or “brave”! Call it like it is, some brainless ass without the ability to think ahead endangered other people, and bears by playing with wild bears. He was a thrill seeking man who found his fifteen minutes of fame and a small cash cow by flirting with suicide.

To end – “Sometimes you get the Bear, sometimes the Bear gets you!”…

To the poster who can see no difference between Treadwell and 'the crocodile guy from down under' I would like to point out that Steve Irwin has spent his entire life (literally) with these animals. He is probably the leading authority in the world when it comes to interacting with these animals. He is under no illusions about being able to develop any sort of relationship with these animals, you can't. He can get close simply because he has observed them for 40 years and can make an eduacated guess about their likely reaction.

There is a big difference between this guy and some bi-polar recovering drug addict who has decided that he is on the same wavelength as a 1000 pound predator

I just watched a documentary on Timothy on discovery channel. The guy was a total flake, he had mental problems that obviously went all the way back to his childhood and if any of the flakes who support him so much really cared they should have seen that and helped him get the help he needed. Oh and one last thing, the part of the documentary where he talks about how he sometimes wished he was gay, uh huh.... ok i know he had a girlfriend(s) but come on! that guy was obviously gay, or bi, and if he wasn't he was sure as hell suppressing it (and doing a bad job of it).

We all have our time here.We all have our passions.We all die.......if you die driving your car will i call you a fool for tempting fate in such a dangerous machine?If you die at a doctors hands will i call you a fool for trusting doctors?if you die doing something you love will i call you a fool?NO i will only hope when my death comes i'm fufilled.David found his fufillment..don't be jealous.Sure you can can arm chair his life and times......because you can only imagine what he has done!

Everyone,

For all of you who posted things saying your glad, and he deserved it. FUCK YOU!!! You all are just jealous that he did something you couldn't. And to be glad that a life was ended, you will surely burn in hell. If I ever met any of you, I would punch you square in the face, and beat the shit out of you until you cried for mercy, Fuck you all, you pathetic little motherfuckers.

I'm with this guy ^. If you guys aren't simpathetic to him, then you all are heartless. And his wife being flaky, she had experience in the wilderness, she knew damn well what she was doing. It's not his fault that women cannot run fast, or hide in a tree.
And I'd like to meet some of you in person so I could hit you as well, you ignorant fools. He found something he loved and it even showed him petting the bears. Like who the fuck are you to judge him because of what he did. You all are really jealous, that he got closer to bears than anyone else in the world. So stop with your stupid ass opinions that he deserved it.

And if you give me your address, you will be punished.

I'm a bear man too. I like to touch the bears in their no no special spot and some times they get a little mad. Mr. Happy hands only want to be friends.

I'm here after watching the docu-drama on TV. I agree with the other people who have actually seen the footage before commenting here. The director had hundreds of hours of raw footage and put together the most revealing bits he could to bring this compelling and honest story to us. It is obvious to anyone that Timothy actually believed he was doing something honorable. It was also obvious he was very self-absorbed and living in his own world. Man cannot honestly protest man messing with nature - while messing with nature to do so. He can no more claim to be doing good then to claim to be God. It is not man's place. You cannot study something without in some way disturbing/exposing the subject to harm... You cannot have relistic expectations of something going againts it's nature.

Their death is a tragedy.

This story reminds me of the one about the woman who was viciously gored by a bull while filming her documentary about the awful treatment of bulls by the people in Portugal.

Man should heed the animals in keeping to his nature...

well, I can see everyone on here has an opinion one way or another.

I never met Timothy or Amy but just wanted to say this story brings two thoughts to my mind...

first- It pained me to watch the film as i saw more of Tim than the bears he so adored. That seems such a shame their deaths caused the deaths of two wild animals who were at most doing only what came naturally. It is an awful shame not more was said about Amy. I would love to know her thoughts on what they were (misguided at best, but well intentioned no doubt)tying to achive. I think both would probably be shamed and furious the bears were shot.

second- as misguided as i believe they were, i have to respect them both to staunchly go into the wilderness and TRY!!! If only more of our society had the ability to follow their dreams and Try to do the right thing, we'd all be better off. Even if how they did it was wrong, my hat's off to anyone who follows their dream- better to die saying you tried than to die wishing you would have. everyone dies eventually.

those are my two cents. they didn't go about things the "right" way, but at least Timothy followed his dream. I'd like to thik at least Amy knew what she was getting into--- or at least haven't you ever been in love?

Ive lived in Alaska for 20 years and Ive never heard
ANYBODY talk about doing the stupid s___ that he did! The bottom line is bears arent cute there not cuddly and you dont go into the wilderness and try to tame wild bears! Like he said you will die! And
ha ha he did.

This poor guy was obviously bipolar and this was a tragic story - I have met western people like this back home in Africa who want to commune with nature and think that the natives who warn them about the dangers are bumpkins - why is it that so few Alaskan natives are attacked by bears?
If you have no fear of death - go looking for it alone - don't take a friend along - the poor girl should not have been there.
Tragic, romantic , foolish.

http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

I just saw "Grizzly Man" and after seeing it all I can say is that Treadwell was an idiot.
He foolishly risked his life so I don't see his loss as being tragic; he did it to himself in a way.
Too bad he had to have his female companion there.
We learn about his past drug and alchohol problems, perhaps he had some sort of brain damage?
He may have been an undiagnosed bipolar and a he probably had a lot of difficulty dealing with his true sexual preferences.
Overall, a truly mixed up individual and certainly no "researcher".

It is simply tragic that some amateur is allowed to parade around with protected animals. Knowing the extremely high likelyhood of attack, and the result of such an attack. Whatever the foundation that supports him should be sued for the death of the bears, the bullets, and any and all costs incured. It is suicide/entrapment/manslaughter/bearslaughter. He was right that bears need protection, especially from irresponsible SoCal liberals.

A few comments on the film "Grizzly Man"
His constantlly telling the bears, foxes, bumblebees, etc., " I love you" was really off-putting after a while.
He would talk to the bears in the same way and with the same tone as you see the adult characters in kids tv shows talk to puppets.
But these bears weren't puppets, and that fact really ended up biting him in the ass.
Another disturbing part of the film was when ole Tim almost had an orgasm in his shear amazement at handling fresh bear shit.
His "guarding" the bears from basically imaginary poachers and his paranoia of other visitors to the area show his unbalanced mental state. His maniacal vulgar outbursts against the park service only make his looniness more apparent.
Although he comes off as being a soft spoken homosexual, I believe he had much suppressed inner rage.
He infact was likely living out there due to his inability to come to terms with himself and the outside world.
The bears were of secondary importance, in my opinion.
The film itself wasn't bad, but it's tough to hold the audiences interest when the main character, Timothy, is such an unsympathetic person.

Hey

1. To those of you who argue that Treadwell shouldn't be judged by 'desk jockies' or folks wielding a keyboard and an opinion:

a) Everyone who participates in this forum is guilty of passing judgment - be they in support of Treadwell or in opposition. The Pro-Treadwell-ians who pass judgment on the Anti-Treadwell-ians are guilty of exactly what they accuse their opponents of: passing judgment. That's hypocritical.
b) Treadwell instigated is own celebrity, and spent much of his energy encouraging his fame, through film-making, authoring books, doing interviews, etcetera. When someone chooses to pursue public recognition, they offer themselves up to the public for judgment. Public scrutiny is a condition of fame, and Treadwell chose - even chased - fame.
c) There is no 'niceness' law around human conduct - indeed, every person has the right to judge others. That's the nature of human society.

2. To those who argue that Treadwell died doing what he loved:

a) does the audiotape of him screaming and asking for his girlfried to hit the bear with a frying pan sound like he's dying doing what he loves?
b) there is clear evidence presented in the documentary Grizzly Man that supports the contention that Treadwell had a psychological disorder of some kind. Is a mentally unstable person capable of making a sound choice regarding doing what they love, especially if it involves extreme danger?
c) if someone loves drugs, does that mean that if they die of a drug overdose, their death is acceptable?
d) is Treadwell's personal satisfaction in 'doing what he loved' more important than the fate of the bears whom he habituated and therefore endangered?
e) could Treadwell have died 'doing what he loved' if he knew that as a result of his death, 2 bears were killed, his life scrutinized, and his reputation muddied?

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I think it's fairly clear from the tally of arguments presented in this forum that those who support Treadwell's actions do so because of their personal relationship to him, and those who are critical of Treadwell's actions are instead making their arguments on the basis of reason and rationality.

It's clear which method has more merit.

I never even new the man existed untill I saw him on the discovery channel last night. No matter what anyone says, he lived the life he wanted for himself, if it was right or wrong is not for us to say as it did not directly affect us, but alot of people here like to name call and judge other people. It's not like he didn't know he might be killed at any moment, he knew the risks and accepted them. I am surprised he lasted as long as he did doing what he was doing. Wild bears are wild bears, there is no getting away from that fact. I did have trouble sleeping last night after watching the documentary and it wasn't the fact that they were killed though that is truly a sad thing. It was the fact that Amy stayed to try to fight off the bear, Tim told her to run so you have to think she had the chance to do so. She chose to stay by Tim and fight till her last dying breath. That is what moved me the most, the power of their love. I suppose I will be mocked by all the heartless idiots who have chosen to post comments here, so come-on, give me your best shot so you can prove to all the GOOD people here how your life really sucks and you have no soul.

LMAO !! Just saw this last night on Discovery. Oh, it was like Andy Dick out in the wilderness with the Grizzly's, LOL!! "OH, This is chocolate, he is a good bear, he won't eat me", RFLMAO!!
This guy was a pure nutcase and I applaud Werner Herzog (Director) for bringing this fool to the world for WANTING to be eaten by a bear and filming it.
I just WISH he would of gotten the footage of himself being eaten like a taco on film. I would like to know what part of the human flesh the bears prefer. Do they start with the head? Do they swipe their paws into the belly and rip out the inards? Or do they rip the flesh from head to toe like eating a big Salmon?
I feel his legacy wasn't really fulfilled because of it.
Too many unanswered questions.
That's why we need to hear the Audio, maybe the age old questions can be answered. "He has my head, OH, my balls are in his paws, etc.."
I can't wait for the next nutjob who wants to do outdo him.

Some people must have not have been paying attention, not once did I hear them say that Tim told her to hit the bear with the pan. It was something that she just did.

I just saw "Grizzly Man" for the first time, and Timothy Treadwell was obviously deranged. I predicted a long time ago a bear would eventually kill him. Too bad about the poor misguided woman he dragged along with him. Treadwell was a total hypocrite who claimed to hate civilization and wanted to "protect" bears. This didn't stop him from using the American media to capitalize on his crazy self-glorifying escapades by appearing on television and writing books, and becoming a so-called bear "technical advisor" for Disney. He used the bears to become famous, which is exactly what he wanted. Now Hollywood is going to make the inevitable movie about him, and make him even more famous. I have encountered grizzlies myself in the Canadian wilderness, and know people who have been mauled and survived. Wild bears are extremely beautiful animals who should be left alone in their natural habitat. I find it offensive and ridiculous to witness Treadwell giving them silly names and talking to them like children. If people really want to know how dangerous and unpredictable bears can be, then maybe they should have included the horrifying audio tape of Treadwell and the woman being killed. True respect for these magnificent animals means observing them from a distance, and leaving them alone. Let's hope we never see another Treadwell again. One thing about Treadwell which I liked: he did get some great bear footage. He could have concentrated on making great documentaries about bears, but instead used the bears to glorify himself.

I watched about 5 minutes of this and found myself rooting heavily for the bears. I'm pretty sure they finally killed him to shut his dumb ass up. I really wanted to see him get eaten but couldn't stand to watch any more than 5 minutes of this abortion.

I really enjoy the film and have an idea that Timothy Treadwell would have been much happier up on Brokeback Mountain.:)

Dave Mooney wrote: "No matter what anyone says, he lived the life he wanted for himself"

First of all, judging from Treadwell's eco-warrier self-image as a bear 'lifeguard,' he thought he lived that life for the sake of protecting bears, not for his own personal gain. In fact, he probably would have said protecting the bears was his life's work and purpose on the planet.

That's where he falls horribly short of his own goals and that's why it's wrong to say "he lived the life he wanted."

His death and the death of Amie were the first fatal bear attacks in that particular park. Their deaths encourage the very idea that Treadwell spent 13 summers trying to disprove: that bears are really just 'party animals,' and aren't dangerous. His death contradicts what he spent 13 summers trying to show; namely, that bears are harmless. The fatal bear attack undid any progress he made in changing negative attitudes toward bears.

Based on Treadwell's own goals and principles, he failed. It's fair to judge someone by their own standards and goals.

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Dave Mooney wrote: "if it was right or wrong is not for us to say as it did not directly affect us"

For one, it's up to anyone to weigh in with their opinion on what's right or wrong - that's called freedom of speech, and you exercise it - along with every other poster here - by participating in this forum. Is it okay for you to have freedom of speech, but not okay for those who disagree with you to have the same right?

Secondly, Treadwell's actions do affect us. Bears becoming habituated to human beings and dying as a result of human ignorance changes the biological and societal composition of the world you and I live in. It affects how bears are perceived, whether they are protected or whether they are killed off due to human ignorance. The fate of the bears affects the world we live in and thus, it affects us.

If this story didn't affect us at all, there wouldn't be so many people documenting it, recording it, and weighing in with their opinions on it. Indeed, Treadwell's story affects every single person who reads about it, sees the films, or discusses it in a forum.

I love Timothy Treadwell.I love the way he lived as one with the bears, and became a bear.How he gave them cute names and petted them and slept in their dens and how he a 190 pound man would protect a 1000 pound carnivour from danger with just a camera.Because of him i will follow my dream.I love rattlesnakes.I want to go to the mountains and live with them in their den. I want to give them cute names like Rattles,strikey,wiggles,diamond patch,cutey fang and coily face.I want to caress and nurture these reptiles.I will raise and feed them mice and let them and their young share my sleeping bag and protect them from harm ( tears flowing)Let people know what a bad rap a rattlesnake has gotten. I love to feel the flick of a forked tongue on my cheek and one day have this creature lie in my lap and hand feed him and stroke his skin and let him know WE ARE ALL ONE IN THIS UNIVERSE.I will keep audio and video of my bestseller to be ( Rattlesnake man ,The biography of the man who lived with snakes)I am currentley looking at the appalachin mountains or the rocky mountains. I am so excited i found my place in this wonderful gentle meditative world.

i really want to see a transcription of that audio. does anyone have a link?

Some of your people...So if your a pilot for 13 years and your plane goes down and everybody dies does that make you and idiot because you fly airplanes, no it doesn't shit happens. What everyone here forgets is this man died doing what he loved, no man should be made a mockery of because of his passions. And Aimee is a big girl 37 years old last time I cheacked shes responsiable for herself. Most of you are just imature and don't value life, which is your own choice but you sound stupid saying "he got what he deserved" hello fucking people die in cars every day more so then are eaten by bears so come on you still ride in a car knowing the dangers. This guy knew the dangers, doesn't make him anyless of a person. I suppose all the American Astronauts got what they deserved to. All of you with know compassion for life eat a dick faggots.

Gee Mike ,Can i sell you some ocean front property in Arizonia.Would i ride in a car from Jersey to california or would i handfeed a 1200 lb grizzly a salmon.I would have to think hard on that one. I do value life man, Thats why im at home drinking rum and crashing with my girlfrined and not teasing a grizzly.lol

Mike dont let them get to you. I can totally relate to you and believe everything you say and you and me are alot alike.Oh No, Here they come ,They know i am out of my strait jacket and am on institution computer.Not more medication awwwwgg.

i thought he was one of the bravest men i have ever saw in the film i saw him kiss a bear man not well is he brave or just crazy i think you have to be a little of bolth to do what timothy
as creepy as it sounds i would like to hear the audio just to draw my own opinion of what happen
on that terrible night you know its a bad thing to die and even worse to get eaten alive but at least he died doing what he love the most in the world and not many i bet can say that so god bless them bolth and i hope they rest in peace
........tony

Hey Garth,

Come on man you know and i know he wasn't teasing those creatures be a little more creative then that come on Garth. Wheres your since of adventure, thats right you drink rum that makes you a much smarter man then me, good for you that you drink it at home, im sure it took a couple dui's before you got the hang of it but some people are on a different learning curve then the rest. But i get what your saying, belittle a man for dying doing what he loved, not you. So Drink up Garth you taught me that its only worth dying for somthing that will kill you in 30 years (RUM) promise i won't call ya out for it.

arnold,

Grow some balls fuckbag. You'll die begging for your Mom, at least that man had the balls to do what he did. Easy to critize people when you dont know your ass from that little imaginary thing YOU call a dick.

http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

You really need to read this - it will clear up questions left over from the "Grizly Man" documentary - including what was really heard on the audio.

There in are quotes from the people actually involved - who saw the aftermath and listened to the audio.

It is truly sad, about all of the deaths (human and bear lives were needlessly lost).

You will read that there had not been a bear attach against a human in over 85 years before that tragedy.

Timothy, in my opinion, was a person looking for a way to fit into this crazy world - and he found that by through the acceptance and encouragement of his dangerous actions that her was lavished with back then. This kind of thing happens all the times...people love to live their thrill seeking vicariously through others. Each person who funded, encouraged, supported or otherwise accepted this is part of the problem. I wish that was something uncommon - but it is not. The rest of us are their victims. It is good to see all of this dialogue so perhaps the deaths were not in vain and we might all take away some real lessons...

I found the answers I needed to all my questions at the link provided, so instead of speculating - try the link and read it all.

Mike your commentary does not make any sense.Thats why you are getting these responses.This topic is way to complex for you and the foul language you use is due to low self esteem and due to being obviously illiterate.We look forward to your next post of obscene language immensely so we can laugh at how stupidity is an inherited gene.Look forward to seeing you on the Darwin awards.

glad you enjoyed.

I really do get so sick of people like (Mike),that cannot type two words without profanity.

finally humbled, how'd you know about my self esteem problems, you really are good you know i bet someones looking for a guy like you with such a pretty mouth only he cares as much as i do about what comes out of it, just what goes in. Cum guzzler. (thats not to foul is it)

here ya go thats 4 words with out profanity, fuckface.

When I first saw "Grizzly Man", in the first 20 minutes I was tearing my hair out in frustration. Having spent years in grizzly country in Montana, I watched a man break every rule when dealing with them. I couldn't believe he would be so arrogant and lack the humility to treat these animals with the awesome respect they deserve.

As the movie progressed and Treadwell continued to speak, I then thought that maybe he does get it. Oh, wait? He does fear and respect them. They are not to be acclimated to humans because this can only hurt them in the end. He knows he has to play by their rules.

Next scene.. no wait? He's actually touching one on the nose? He jumped into the water with an adult? He doesn't get it?! What is this guy's problem?

At the end of this movie and after reading these posts, I've come to this conclusion. To try and defend or crucify this guy with his own statements or actions is futile. This man was manic in mood and thought, who needed his "highs and his lows" as he stated. He made up accents and made up last names and made up a life as he went along. He went out in the wilderness with intentions that clashed and broke against each other. He himself didn't know where he fit in the grizzly world nor in the larger world.

Was he a hero or a fake? Should he be admired or mocked? To try and make sense out of senselessness is futile. His death and the subsequent death of the bears that killed him are the ultimate proof of that.

won't argue with that.

Its ok Mike was my little bitch in the slammer.

Mike's right most of you are assholes, all he said is theres risk in everything anyone does. and to show a little compassion not say whata idiot, yada, yada, yada.

we had sometimes didn't we....

The guy bent down and put his hand in fresh bear shit and this was what he did ON camera -- imagine when the camera wasn't rolling. . .

This fact alone answers any and all questions the world has about little timmy "I shoulda been Woody!" treadwell.

May he rest in pieces.

After watching this ridiculous documentary. The only saving grace is that he suffered a slow, limb-ripping, guts gushing, pulled along a thorny path, knowing he was being eaten S-L-O-W-L-Y.
And then Amie squeeeling like a pig. I bet her waiting for that bear to come back, she busted a few bowel movements.
I wondered if they thought those bears were "party animals" now? LMAO!!!

This is the kind of thing that's bound to polarize people. On the one hand, people like me who shake their heads and think "is this not obvious to anyone with a brain?", and those who are still stuck in Disney-think and are horrifed.

Well, when you go out of your way to make yoruself a food source for a gigantic predator, you ARE really asking for it, aren't you? Those of you who are all indignant over the Darwinists, please check out the comments by the Katmai rangers - the REAL experts - themselves, who said things like "it wasn't a matter of if, but when"; "we told Timothy if bears had to die because of him we'd never forgive him"...they went out of their way to prevent a stupid Malibu hippie from dying, even threatening him with permanent expulsikon from the park.

But he did what he felt he had to do, right down to naming the creatures, like the senile fools who roam city parks naming and feeding wild raccoons and skunks where I live. Thought he was Dian Fossey Of The Grizzlies. But the conceit of thinking you understand any wild animal, and imagining it empathizes with you, carries the ultimate punishment a conceit CAN carry.

Don't you think that it was rather arrogant of him to think that a friggin' grizzly bear needed him to protect them?! That guy was an idiot and got what he deserved. He didn't die like a bear, he died like the dumb little weak bunny that he was.

Billy my man, arrogance like that wil get you on Letterman, let's not forget.

I am kind of going with the bipolar disorder theory too. I saw the film, and the way he babbled on about "You'd get killed, but these bears know me, this is my work, this is what I do, blah blah blah...". It's pretty sad all right - sad, as someone said, that his "friends" didn't get him the help he obviously needed instead of egging him on like that dick DiCaprio. Reminds me of a lot of famous dead musicians - burned out and destroyed in their youth because it was COOL to do it...always plenty of "friends" to help them down that road.

One last thought, since I have been a park naturalist and interpreter: I have a different approach - one I recommend to anyone who wants to be among animals. I regard them as aliens. Not "aliens" in the sense of introduced species - aliens as in science-fiction stories. Beings whose only commonality with us is that they require food, water, and oxygen in order to go on living. Beings with "minds" that (and here I shake my head again: "why isn't this obvious to everyone?") do not, and SHOULD not function in the way ours do. Incomprehensible minds; alien minds. Respect them NOT because they are our "brothers", but because they have NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

I feel compelled to make a few comments.
1. Treadwell expected to eventually be killed by bears. He said he hoped that whoever found his remains would bury them and not tell anyone. Clearly the last thing he would have wanted was for the bear who killed him to be killed in return. Treadwell was foolish, misguided and ultilmately surely did more harm than good for his chosen cause.
2. There is simply no comparison between brown bear and black bear behavior. Lyn Rogers is reknowned for his study of black bears, including his prolonged intimate contact even with nursing mothers and their cubs. Black bears pose very little threat to humans, even very foolish humans. This is certainly not true of brown bears.
3. The truly hateful sick posts of those celebrating the deaths of Treadwell and Huguenard are illumninating as to the level of discourse practiced by the Rush Limbaugh dittoheading anti-environmentalists. Treadwell did net harm to his cause, but these irrational despicable hate spewing misanthropic morons more than counteract that negative with the discredit they give to theirs.

One other thing I forgot to note...
It is stated in the film and elsewhere that there were no reported bear poaching incidents in Katmai during the 13 years Treadwell was there, and this is confirmed by the Park Service. Several of you above ridicule his contention that he was preventing poaching.
The summer after he was killed? Six poaching incidents confirmed. This won't impress or break the hearts of the haters who celebrated Treadwell's death and questioned his motives, but it does at the very least cast some doubt on the skepticism that he was accomplishing anything other than self-aggradisement...

i want all those who talk smack that at least this guy had the balls to go out and do what he wanted to do with his life and didnt settle down like you fools who pass judgement as if you were god

How many people just posted thers on Feb. 4?

This is to dave who was like one of the first people to post today YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUC* UP a$$ hole

Sorry for posting so much

Just saw the 'grizzly man' on discovery tonite. Main thing I find disturbing is these so called friends and well wishers showing off their emotion and concern for him. We dont need a PHD in zoology to figure out that 'animals' are called so since they aint have no notion of civilisation. In the end they are oppurtunistic, unpredictable predators. Why didnt his so called 'friends' that appear on TV not give him good advice to stay away from clear and present danger? Trying to OWN bears in not a way to prevent poaching or protect them. Lets be good friends and well wishers and try to advice our loved ones from committing such mistakes. Treadwell is dead, long live the Bear!

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear conflicts, the Alaska Department of Fishing and Gaming is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert of bears while in the field. The department has posted the following notice:

We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle any bears.

We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.
Outdoors men should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear feces:

Black bear feces is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur.

Grizzly bear feces has little bells in it and smells like pepper.

And in Tim's case a beeny hat.

Right on ! Eazy, Tanner Mayhall types are one of those so called 'friends' who commend his dead friend treadwell by saying that "he had the balls to go...". I guess pple with brains equal to size of their balls will do such a thing. in this case both brain and balls ended in the mouth of an hungry bear. I agree, lets try to save our 'friends' from doing such things.

If Tim was in the Mafia he wouldhave been called Tim "The Dumbass" Treadwell!

Hello my name is Valerie... I just saw Grizzley Man tonight! I have so many mixed feelings about it! I think if I was there I would have used some protection... yes I think he had good intentions within his heart!

He made human mistakes as we all do! I think his greed for fame got a little bit away w. him! I think he wanted too be a super star! But I think he really did care about the animals too!

Although it is kindof hard for me too believe that by desenetizing them he could so think he was helping them! Or not have any doubts at all in that!

Well I think he thought there was a greater cause within this! & I think he was a true animal luver
If he made errors or not! I think it is sick too say you are glad he got ate by a bear!

I'm sure he never intended for any harm too happen too his girlfriend! He told her too run too try & save her life! Don't go casting your stones unless you urself are completley without sin~

I mean honestly ask urselfs ... Do u think when this life is over for u & u get too the afterlife
You will have been without some error's or things you would have liked too do differently~ Valerie

i just saw "grizzly man". I did find it truly fascinating that he could get that close to the bears and foxes without getting hurt.Maybe he did have something special.But i think he did more harm then good for the animals.It was like he was trying to play god. That fucking gay atheist was making fun of god in the movie , calling him"jesus boy"and shit. Maybe thats why he got eaten by the bear,for making fun of GOD.DON'T FUCK WITH THE BIG MAN!!!!!!! Other then that R.I.P. You died doing what you loved, i'm sure people would love to go doing what they loved.

I read an article in Readers Digest a few years ago about Treadwell and his "crusade" and thought at the time, "He's gonna die up there". Unlike others, I don't think he deserved what he got, but I do think he asked for it.

BTW - I still he was a dumbass of major proportions and his girl friend was a co-dependant idiot.

I just saw Grizzly Man and have been reading all over the internet so much about Treadwell. I thought the film would be about insight into bears in their environment yet its all about Treadwell. Treadwell was all about Treadwell and I sense some connection between his "love of bears" and his self love. He kept saying he was "protecting" the bears but any sane person can see he was doing more harm to them. Again, the film demonstrates his state of mind and its gives good insight into the perversions of man's mind or "self" and how one's ego can foster such.

Kaplan- You disgust me by shamelessly promoting your crappy amauter movie at the expense of aviolant deaths. Your movie is crap and so are you

Steve - exactly. Why should bears die because of someone who by any standard of any society in the history of the world was nothing more than a god-damned fool? Someone who was so self-absorbed, so stuffed with self-importance, that they believed that to merely say "I am a brother to these bears" made it so? Pfffft!!!

It's Andy Dick in the Wild GOne Wild, LMAO!!!

What a great joke this is. Only we don't get to to see this dumass get his ass chewed. It is their dumass fault. I want to see blood, I want to see his head split Open like a grapefruit. I want to see his brains splatter all over the trees. I felt like it wasn't worth it. I want to see tne bear chew on him like ALPO dog food. I want it all, and so does each of us...

What kills me is the "so called friends". They say "Oh, I dont think he was suicidal"....

Hello??? How about sitting your fat asses within 15 feet of these Grizzlies.

Yes, they thought he was crazy as a loon,, But they ALL wanted to profit in some SICK WAY, which actually makes them as SICK as he was...SAD FUKS>

I remembered Tim Treadwell from yrs. back but I only found out about his death yesterday. I saw the Discovery Channel's showing of the "Grizzly Man" Documentary. At first I saw the commercials and I said "hey I remember him, that's the bear guy". then I read the description of the show and my heart fell when learning that he died, but I had no idea how horribly he died.
I cried harder than I've ever cried. For Tim and for Amie. I know he was a kind man who loved animals and wanted them protected and understood...but I also suspect that he MAY have had some normal mental health issues (but he's not a "loon" like many ppl say)
...From watching the docu-movie it seems he had some paranoia among other things. Of course that's only what I suspect. But he nor his girlfriend deserved to die in such a horrendous, frightening way. I think he may have become too relaxed and maybe mis-judged some things .....especially since it's recorded that he stayed longer into the year than the normal trips he took. It just saddens me that Amie had to die there too, she--I don't think-- knew as much about the characteristics of the bears in that area, as Tim did.
As sad as I am, I just try to remember that they're not in any pain anymore and I try to remember what Tim stood for.

I just took a crap and I put my hands in it, and it felt so good because it was warm, and it was inside me!

i think that tim had some mental problems. not for the fact that he tried to live with bears, but just by the way he acted and the way he acted toward people .. i love animals also and would love to spend a summer like he did, but he did accept the risk.. like i said though, as my PH. D. opinon that he did have some real mental issues, but its a sad thing that him and his woman died.. its always sad to hear of anyone dying. but we can all be sure that when he pasted he was doing what he loved.........................BUT THE MAN WAS CRAZY..................

I started watching the Grizzly Man on the Discovery Channel this evening, missed parts here and there due to phone calls and kids.

Not knowing the background of the film nor the tragic outcome, my initial reaction to Treadwell and his antics depicted in the movie was perplexity, which quickly gave way to antipathy. He was clearly self-absorbed and driven by a hidden agenda. The paradox of claiming to protect the grizzly yet failing to show any respect at all for the animal was evident. If Treadwell's goal was to increase our understanding of the grizzly by studying the predatory animal and conducting behavioral research he failed miserably. Instead he focused the public's attention on the grizzly by shamelessly inserting himself in their habitat and flaunting a delusional belief that he was in fact a "friend" of the bear.

His manner of talking to the grizzlies and the fox (e.g., "I love you" repeatedly) gave me the sense that he was emotionally and mentally unstable. I was so disturbed by his interaction with the wildlife that I hit the "mute" button several times. I couldn't help but wonder what the hell was wrong with this guy and why the movie was titled Grizzly Man as opposed to Idiot Boy.

I caught the end of the documentary and only then did I realize the tragic ending to this pathetic story. His (and his girlfriend's) violent death is truly a tragedy and I my heart goes out to their family and friends who lost someone they loved.

However to say that this man was dedicated to the preservation of grizzlies or any cause other than self promotion is even a greater tragedy. His story should be an example of what not to do and discourage others from attempting the same.

There seems to be one thing in common with the asshole that would destroy a mans name after he was killed. None of you can even spell. Ofcourse is sad that he died im no fan of his work but you people are horrible humans. How can a man and women being mauled to death by a bear be nothing to you. It makes me sick to my stomach that you people really can act this way you terrible

your all fools -- live and let live -- who really cares,,,

While I don't agree Treadwell's choices in life which led to his death, at least he had the passion to live his life according to his ideals. He practiced what he preached, which is likely more than anyone on this forum can make a claim to.

Was he an addictive personality who was using the dangerous life he led as a way to fill some home in his life? More than likely yes. But to suggest he was "asking for it," is like saying someone who was raped was "asking for it." Those people who do say such a thing about this man's death reveal that they have an even worse hole in their psyche than Treadwell ever did. At least Treadwell didn't have to dance on someone's grave to make himself feel self-important.

And that is why he's a better man in death than any of you rednecks will be in your collective, xenophobic, I-can't-deal-with-anything-different-than-me-because-I'm-insecure-about-my-own-manhood lives.

Tell you what though, next time I hear about a hunter who killed his best friend while hunting herbivore animals I'll be sure to laugh long and hard and let his family know in public what an idiot he was, that's the lesson all you haters want us to learn from your rantings, right?

Just wondering have any of you verified that this man and woman are actually deceased?....search of Alaskan Public Records has no records(including death) for a timothy treadwell or timothy dexter?
Tried my mothers name(who passed away 2 yrs ago)on ancestry.com......First Hit?....Timothys names....no match.....>????????? You people should do some research before you debate?.If anyone has any info on this....Other than i knew him or i heard he was dead? let me see it before i believe it.....the film grizzlyman....seemed a bit fishy ...especially the coroner?????

Hey Jim, Look under the wesite FINDAGRAVE.COM they have it listed under Timothy Treadwell and it has a little info into his death.This should help. My opinion Timothy got by a long time on documenting the grizzly.Timothy definately had problems and the grizzly was his medication for these problems. Arguing for him or against him is really just the fact of he made a really bad choice in what he chose to do with his life and paid the ultimate sacrifice. Life goes on for the rest of us lucky enough to read this forum and to rise to another day.Have a good day all.

Well... at first watching the documentary made by this german guy, my initial thought was that Tim Treadwell was an idiot. But in all fairness and some deep thought, there is in no way for me to say such idle accusations.
I have no idead what was going on in his head. In my lifetime I've come across normal people who were actually clinically insane and some very eccentric people who were normal, albeit "out of the box" in thinking.
It is obvious that he did make some mistakes. Does that make him insane??? Again I will say that he also made some poor judgements. That can happen to the best of us. We need to put this documentary in more context rather than individual perspective/opinion. Indeed... Mr Treadwell had some special gift to be able to live amongst such awesome creatures. In his zeal of living with them he unfortunately lost focus in his goals. My judgement comes to such a conclusion after recalling what the Katmai museum curator said about about the whole tragedy. He surely admired Treadwell's love for these grizzlies yet also hinted that a little bit of respect towards these animals was lost by Treadwell ignoring the dangers that go with being in close contact with them. The most powerful quote from this Native Alaskan was that "we natives have kept a respect for these animals, by respecting their habitat/domain and have done so for over a millenia". Furthermore... "in Treadwells attempt to protect these bears, he ended up being more harmful to them by not respecting the living space they need away from ALL men".
So for me... I go 50-50 about passing judgement on Treadwells actions. In the end... he paid such a cost with the life of himself, his friend, and a bear living in its natural state.
Was it worth it???
Please note, we are still talking ONLY about Tim and his actions. Such actions and the result of it has done nothing for the wellfare of these bears.
I'll go with the Native Alaskan curator's assesment of Tim Treadwell. His was spot on!

Well... at first watching the documentary made by this german guy, my initial thought was that Tim Treadwell was an idiot. But in all fairness and some deep thought, there is in no way for me to say such idle accusations.
I have no idead what was going on in his head. In my lifetime I've come across normal people who were actually clinically insane and some very eccentric people who were normal, albeit "out of the box" in thinking.
It is obvious that he did make some mistakes. Does that make him insane??? Again I will say that he also made some poor judgements. That can happen to the best of us. We need to put this documentary in more context rather than individual perspective/opinion. Indeed... Mr Treadwell had some special gift to be able to live amongst such awesome creatures. In his zeal of living with them he unfortunately lost focus in his goals. My judgement comes to such a conclusion after recalling what the Katmai museum curator said about about the whole tragedy. He surely admired Treadwell's love for these grizzlies yet also hinted that a little bit of respect towards these animals was lost by Treadwell ignoring the dangers that go with being in close contact with them. The most powerful quote from this Native Alaskan was that "we natives have kept a respect for these animals, by respecting their habitat/domain and have done so for over a millenia". Furthermore... "in Treadwells attempt to protect these bears, he ended up being more harmful to them by not respecting the living space they need away from ALL men".
So for me... I go 50-50 about passing judgement on Treadwells actions. In the end... he paid such a cost with the life of himself, his friend, and a bear living in its natural state.
Was it worth it???
Please note, we are still talking ONLY about Tim and his actions. Such actions and the result of it has done nothing for the wellfare of these bears.
I'll go with the Native Alaskan curator's assesment of Tim Treadwell. His was spot on!

Well the part that really got me thinking was when he was saying how much he loved those two foxes that was playing with his hat... Until one of them dragged it off into the woods. Did you see how fast the mood changed over a stupid hat??? First he's saying "ooh cute little fox! I love you!". Then you get him screaming like a lunatic! The man had some serious issues and the fox taking his hat scene just dropped a bomb about this guys sanity. Tell me I'm wrong!!!

When I first heard about Timothy Treadwell and what he was doing I thought he was a nut case! I now realize since watching the Grizzly Man story last night and reading numerous articles on the internet today that Timothy Treadwell was pioneer not unlike those who founded this country or those who led the way out west. To those who criticize him I ask if it were not for people like Timothy Treadwell where would this country be?
He had a true passion for the Grizzly bear and has given us a much broader understanding of them than anyone ever has! I didn’t know him and some how feel it is my loss!

Treadwell and his old lady did not deserve to be maulled and eaten as little blonde bear snacks. Even idiots, dinks and dipsticks should be afforded the right to live. They need to be confined with that of their own kind to co-exist. Oh darn, I forgot, TIM WAS A BEAR...! A PARTY BEAR DUDE, WITH DIFFERENT COLORED BANDANAS WHO SAVED THEM BY REARRANGING BIG ROCKS IN A RIVER BED TO ALLOW FOR BETTER FISH MIGRATION. (Damn, he was a real genious) He was in his natural environment, the best one that a lunatic like him should have been in. Too bad his co-death partner got sucked in to Tim's cartoon bear world. It was only a matter of time before that guy was going to get it. If not from bears, then it would be from something else. If I were forced to go camping with that teddy bear toting pansy, it would only have been a couple of nights before I would have laid strips of bacon atop his tent to speed up the inevitable. Nature takes out the weak and sometimes the unlucky. Tim was not unlucky, he flirted with death daily. He was naturally selected, just like a deer would be if it walked up to a pack of wolves and said "HEY WOLFY WUFF WUFFS. MIND IF I HANG WITH YOU DUDES?"

RIP Tim....

I found this movie highly disturbing. I first heard of Mr. Treadwell about 5 or 6 years ago. I remember seeing some video footage of him and thinking, "This guy's nuts. Those bears are going to kill him." I wish I wasn't right. Tim's and Amie's deaths were tragic.

The most disturbing parts of the movie were Timothy's soliloquies about the park service and his interpretations of innocuous piles of stones and messages written on logs. His seeming love for the animals he spent time with was betrayed by the "hat incident" with the foxes. To me, all of these add up to someone who was at least minorly mentally unstable if not outright clinically insane.

Herzog claims it was an argument about the validity of Tim's return ticket to Cali that caused him to go back out to Katmai (rather than other reports that they went back out to try and find a favorite sow they hadn't seen yet that year). It seems to me that Tim was an immature person, in the sense that he was not able to deal with problems and instead ran away from them. His own admissions to not being able to kick a drinking habit by getting help from professionals merely cements this. It appeared he was mentally unable to cope with his environment and rather than maturing and learning to deal with his problems he ran away from them. His apparent misunderstanding of the basic forces of nature (i.e. adult males killing cubs), his hyper-anthropomorphizing of the animals, and his overconfidence among these massive predators all seemed to me evidence of his mental instability. It seemed since he couldn't understand and funtion in the human world he needed to make a world for himself where things made sense, resulting in anthropomorphizing the bears and their actions. All of this seems to be the actions of an immature or unstable person.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of us will never have access to the same sources that Herzog was able to view and listen to. One would hope that Herzog would be objective in his filmmaking and has presented us with a clear, unbiased picture of his subject, one in which no judgements are made, only observations. Viewing the comments of Tim's friends, it seems that some things were left out that they wished were included, and vice versa. Tim, like any of us, was a complicated person. Unlike many of us, however, Tim put his peronal life and most fervent passions on display for everyone to see. He isn't here to defend himself from our judgements of him or his actions, only his work is left behind.

What did Tim's "research" really do? What was he trying to prove, what hypothesis was he testing? That brown bears were harmless and misunderstood? The scene where he laments the death of a baby fox, presumably at the hands of a pack of wolves, shows me that Tim didn't like wolves. Yet aren't wolves as much of a misunderstood predator as brown bears, if not more so? Tim didn't seem like much of a scientist to me, nor much of a naturalist. What was he doing ruining the ecology of that stream by moving rocks in 2000? What impact did that have on the following salmon runs? Tim didn't take any of this into account, only had thoughts for the bears, and even then one could argue he was only habitualizing them to human presence, thereby putting them at more risk, not less.

Reading the article posted at the following link: http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html provides a wealth of information on Tim and Amie's death, inlcuding many first-hand accounts. I highly recommend anyone interested in furhter information on Tim to read the short article posted there.

Like I said before, Tim and Amie's deaths were tragic. Tragic in that life was cut short, tragic in that so much could have been done to avoid these deaths. Can you blame the bear for doing what comes naturally to it, for acting like a bear? No. Can you blame the human for doing things that should not have been done, for placing themselves in harm's way, for effectively forcing this encounter? I think yes.

WELL JEWELL I HAVE A IDEA FOR YOU!!!!!
First I am sorry he and his girlfriend are dead I am sure they were harmless enough when they were alone in the middle of the Katmai.
However every one dies someday, If i received the correct message from the movie and every one seemed to be in agreement he would have liked it.
DUHHH !! here in my opinion is what you should do RELEASE THE AUDIO make a ton of money and donate it all to the Katmai natl park they can put up a sign commerating him and then the bears can be PROTECTED by the PROFESSIONALS that do not have the funding to do so in the manner they would like, isnt that what I took from this movie?? protect the bears,But then again if you could ask him and AMY they may have different thoughts now about just how much protection a 1000 pound Brownie needs....
Good luck, it takes both sides to make a balance

I am so happy that Tim was mauled and eaten like every tree hugging liberal deserves to be. I just wish that dumbass would have at least taken the camera lid off so we could rejoice in his gore, but I would expect nothing less from such an idiot who believes he can live with bears. I hope he died a very slow and agonizing death. I heard that he made his dumb hippy bitch girlfriend wear a bear costume when he fucked her. I've been searching day and night for the audio of his death. Please call me if anyone knows the where I can find this audio clip. 785-224-9676

LOL I've been trying to find the audio too. I wouldn't quite call Treadwell and his gf idiots, after all they knew the risks of their actions may or may not have accepted them (well actually when Treadwell is dying and telling his girlfriend to try to kill the bear, I suppose you could say he hasn't accepted the risks). I guess they had some 'Bear Spray' stuff on earlier trips but for some reason didn't feel like bringing it this time.
He sure didn't seem to love bears that much when one was killing him and he's screaming for his gf to hit and kill the bear.

Anyway the audio should be released, no need for censorship.

A thought for all you losers who keep harping about "not being judgmental" - then giving away the game by calling the "judgmental" ones "cum guzzler" and the like..JUDGING EACH OTHER IS HUMAN NATURE, DUMBO! Like you do at the end of every one of your stupid subliterate posts. That's why we pay taxes to support men and women in black robes called "judges", and why we have prisons and mental institutes.

You born and raised in caves or something? Get with the program: IT'S NORMAL TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE - idiots! And to judge a man like Treadwell as an attention-seeking, misguided, Disneyesque fool is no crime, just an astute observation.

K Jizzle, he normally did NOT carry any protection. He carried bear spray in the past, and used it on a bear who charged him once (I think her name was "Fuzzy Boo-boo") and regretted it so much he vowed never to carry protection again. He wrote in his letters to his enablers (like Jewel Palovak, owner of the aforementioned tape) that to carry protection into bear country was a crime.

Again: a fool, a self-proclaimed "expert" who didn't even have the common sense or basic decency to admit that the ultimate show of RESPECT for these animals is to LEAVE THEM THE HELL ALONE.

ok well i think that timothy was friggen awesome. he made me laugh a lot and it kinda made me sad how he was always by himself although he wanted to be. i hate everyone who makes fun of him. just because his intrests were totally wierd, you shouldnt be bringing him down and saying how glad you were when he died. thats sick. he loved bears and loved studying them. its what he wanted to do and thats all he lived for. give the guy a break i mean if he had to choose where he would have to die it would probably be with the bears. it makes me sick how some of you are happy that he died and said that he deserved it. jeez... chill out and have respect.

I think that this "bear Expert" has faked his death. Where is there any hard evidence that Treadwell or Amie were actually eaten. Is there any evidence that they are dead? Are we to take the word of that "coroner/vampire" in the film? In cases like this, it is best to question motives. Out of money, failed actor fakes death, makes "documentary" cleans up, retires rich......a perfect way to live forever, undetected in the wilderness............where he wated to be more than anything.
Where is the autopsy report? Where's the evidence? Just a handful of people (accomplices?) that are accounting the events.......he just really wanted to be left alone - with a juicy legacy. He got it.

you all are heartless and you need to understand that bears are kind creatures and maybe if you looked at the facts of his deth then you would see that he died from a older bear that was past his prime the salmon hade stoped running and so the bear had looked for a easy meal timothy inspiredme to be with the bears with i am curently doing you all need to understand if he faked his deth it was to be with these wonderful anamals he would not be doing this for money he was a great person and loved these bears so much if you would all look at the facts then you would see these creatures are slowly dieing these are a anamal that we need to take care of these bears are one of the most majestic anamals and they are not to be forgoten about and im not saying they are all nice but they are not agressive to humans unless starving or forced to by poachers and others who hurt them so stop typing and help them like i am

james

Well James, you sound like the your going to be the next pile of bearshit in the Katmai or where ever your doing your hugging..... Hey umm just a note while your protecting them try not to get any more killed when your eaten
Or at least get video so something comes out of it

Although I have followed this story for a while, I just saw Grizzly Man for the fist time last night and it really did not add much to what I already knew about the case. I kept asking myself: "How could anyone sleep out in the middle of bear country in a tent?" I would have been sitting there with a rifle with a fire circle surrounding me! But, I guess this guy simply did not value his life as much as I do...nor did he respect the pain that his likely death by bear mauling could cause his loved ones. I think that Treadwell's ability to stay alive for 13 years had absolutely nothing to do with any skill that he had, but rather was a testiment to how mellow those bears were at the park. Come on, lets face it, these were some of the most chilled out bears on the face of the earth...and he would have never have done that around loner grizzlies in the U.S. or loner Polar Bears. He was right about that one thing...that these bears were certainly more social creatures in that part of Alaska.

The only thing that bothered me about the movie was that Herzog's voice sounded like Ahhh-Nold. I kept waiting to hear: "Hasta La Vista Baby." Was anyone else not taken back by this? He probably should have someone else do the monologue.

I just saw some previews for the documentary tonight - it looks interesating but i was talking with a friend who has seen it already and we are wondering if anyone has found a website that has the audio tapes? please reply to me directly at casanovaone23@aol.com thanks

Um.....Grizzly Arlene...are you kidding......I guess once you see his half-eaten head you would change your mind......

Yes, of course he was a wack-job. A real psychopath. I truly believe he tried to have Aimie eaten alive on film.
Let's follow the facts...
First he has Aimie come to Alaska to spend an extra week there. They had never stayed this long before. He knows that most bears are hibernating, and the ones left are hungry as hell and aggressive.(he wrote a letter a week before stating this fact).
Now, he figures once he can film a grizzly eating Aimie like Big Mac, he will produce his ego-filled snuff film and make millions and retire in Hawaii.
Did you see when he made her sit within 15 feet of that big ass grizzly? She was petrified.!!
But he was hoping the bear would pounce on her like white on rice. Luckily, that didn't happen.
So they have to go home the next day.
He comes up with a plan....
So he sets bait outside the tent. Why are the shoes outside the tent? Shoes reek of odor!!
So, he hears a bear shuffling outside, He goes outside and yells to Aimme to cut on the tape recorder, so that at least there will be evidence like it was a bear accident.
Hell yells to her to come outside and help him??
I am guessing he is behind a tree , and when Aimie comes out, the bear attacks him instead.
Then it goes all down hill from there.
It's possible.

Hey Columbo, I think you are on to something, But I think it was Aimie who wanted Treadwell eaten like a Arby's Roast Beef Sandwich.
First, She hated those bears (she has told many people about this). Next, She was tired of psyco-boy dragging her into the path of Grizzleys year after year.
She finally wanted to leave him (she said this numerous times). She knew that he probably would kill her than let her live her own life without him. She finally realized he was trying to get her eaten on film.She had a job she was going to and wanted to be free of this delusional bear-whisperer wanna be. He puts her within 15 feet of that bear, and that is the last straw for her.!!
(I think you have something about those shoes.)
So, the last night they are together, she puts the shoes outside the tent, knowing a bear will smell those rotting soles from miles away.
So, just as planned, a bear comes up, smells that foul odor, and Bear boy goes out to investigate. She even zipped up the tent door after he went out, remember? WHY?
Well, to protect herself, she wants it on tape, but no video of it (incrimating), so she leaves the lens cap on. If he disappears without some evidence, she could be found guilty of murder.
Her plan works perfectly,
Except for the fact, she didn't expect that bear to be that hungry.!!

She almost pulled it off.!!

I have to agree with Sherlock.
Didn't she tell Tim to "play dead" when the bear had him?

Sounds very fishy to me too.....

I really enjoyed his turd petting. I was afraid he was gonna scoop it up and take a bite.

"It was just inside her!"

Brad........that's the point......who actually HAS seen Timmy's head? Allegedly a few people in the film.........the coroner? Is he for real?
I am telling you - he's alive and laughing all the way to the outpost bank. The best disappearing act in recent history.................

Uh, JAMES - "kind creatures"? You're a moron, get your head checked, Jesus CHRIST, are you not even reading the stuff from REAL Alaskans, and REAL biologists and naturalists here? You from Malibu too? The most dangerous form of wildlife there would be freaks like Treadwell, my god what a loony parade we have here!

The question is did anyone hear the audio of his death? If so, where could I find it to listen to it?

I laughed also -- only a bastard would squat on government land and attack the Park Rangers who let him.

Too bad he's in Hell for murder now.

Here is what i found in the alaska newspapers:Search Results

Searched for: timothy treadwell AND allfields(timothy dexter) AND section(all) AND date(2003) 0 No Documents Found

Hear is what I noticed About the GraveFinder.com Website......the date it was added?...Feb 6 2006,Record added: Feb 5 2006,Record added: Dec 27 2005. Boy, nothing added in 2003? 2004?....still no records of Timothy Treadwell or Timothy Dexter in Alaska's public records, or in any Alaskan Newspapers?....The more research I do, The more it points to a Hoax? Actually it must have been a decent movie because i am sitting here typing this....He was a good actor...(even though he didn't get Woody Harrelson's part on Cheers). Not much good on the tube anymore so something like that, that sparks an interest is pretty cool. Good luck to all of you and I hope no one else gets eaten by a bear, or claims to be eaten by one?....You do the research..Let me know if you can find ANYTHING?

With a coroner as friggin out to lunch as this guy is, it would have been easy for Aimie to have a bear eat tim, fake her own death then run as far away from his so called friend as possible. and start a new life.....a sane one.
The coroner had to be a joke,if not, Alaska must be the easiest place in the world to get away with murder!

I heard Jewel speak of Amie's love for Timothy, but no mention of his love for Amie???
First of all, he kept her out of his footage almost completely! Even if he planned to perpetuate a con on us (that he was always alone) he still certainly could have (and I propose WOULD have) filmed Amie (even if he needed to edit her out later) simply because he LOVED her and wanted to document her adventures, her courage, her beauty, etc. Right?? But he didn't. Heck...she was out there 'braving it' also, but he sure didn't seem to want her to get any of the credit or glory, much less even photograph her out of love? That really disturbed me. Herzog told us that, near the end, Amie had declared that she was thinking of leaving Treadwell for good, right? (understandably, as even 'love blindness' can begin to erode when confronted with unfortunate ego-maniacal/bi-polar behaviors). Herzog also tells us that one of Treadwells last diary entries stated that Amie saw him as 'hell bent on destruction', right? Well....I rewound the video to one of the last scenes in the Grizzly Maze that Treadwell taped just days before the attack. He starts getting belligerant, stating that 'if we (the viewer) were to camp there, we would die! We would die!" (but not him)and he walks towards the camera and goes on to say that he'll "never give up the maze....it's his life....he'll never give up the maze...." and around the third time he says it, you can see him turn away from the camera and look down to its left (his right) and I swear it struck me that Amy was likely sitting there near the tripod (nearby Tim, since she feared bears) and it sure looked to me like he (rather cockily and arrogantly) directed that last sentence right at her face...possibly/probably in response to her concerns about his self destructive tendancies and her probable need to cut herself loose from him for her own preservation? Watching that scene again made me feel even sadder for Amie...to realize that she was probably feeling broken hearted (having to face the reality of Tim's psychological condition, his refusal to be reasonable, and her consequential need to extracate herself)as well as to hear him declare in essence that his need for fame and 'danger-highs' were more important to him than she was. To ponder (as a viewer...a female viewer at that) that she died just days after that scene feels especially tragic to me. I followed Treadwell since 'Grizzly Diaries' was aired years back, and I was lured in and truely felt sad when the reports of his death were released back in '03. But the film...and the way he left Amy out of it... and the way he tried to con us... really disapointed me. None of us are perfect, thats for sure, and I'm sure he had a lot of redeeming qualities, ..but he sure seemed like a real 'jerk' in that scene I just described...since we the viewer knew full well by then that she was fearing for his safty and not wanting to lose the man (and relationship) she cherished.
Obviously...I could be wrong, but it hit me like a freight train (when I reviewed that scence) that he was directing his rant at her and for her benefit. That scene was also when it seemed crystal clear to me that he was signing his own death warrent. You just know that such a declation of 'never giving up living in a thicket full of grizzly's' could only end one way. And sadly...it did. It also seemed clear that he thought he was the only person on earth who wouldn't be killed by grizzlies in such an environment, and I agree that this was a text book example of manic delussions of infalibility. I join the other posters who wish his California friends had insisted he take his meds...and a weapon... with him, but....I can understand how they might have tried unsuccessfully to do so. Sad story from start to finish. His friends said he would have loved the movie (since he was its 'star') but I suspect he would have edited the heck out of that footage before ever letting us see it. I sincerely doubt he wanted us to realize he wasn't all he'd staged himself to be. But that said....he certainly was 'one of a kind' and distinguished himself, not in spite of his foilbles, but because of them, and I can't help but think that counts for something. I am sorry things ended so violently and tragically. Too bad everyone losses at the end of this story. (except the producers who are getting rich from the re-telling of his compelling and tragic character study.) Well...let's hope folks will learn from Tims demise that bears will be bears, and that this is how nature intended it to be.

Thanks for listening. :)

Jim - how's the research going? I have not found anything either -

how can you say someone deserved to be eaten alive by a bear? that is completely unfathomable to me.....

Just saw Grizzly Man and now I'm really excited about making a rug out of one of those coastal brownies. The logic of you tree hugging PETA types lacks a lot to be desired. There are two possible scenarios... 1. We are all descended from pond scum and are thus animals....or 2. We are God's creation. If #1 be true then there is nothing wrong as animals with killing other animals. That would make us the top predator. If #2 be true we have been commanded to have dominion over the animals and there is nothing wrong with the legal harvesting of any animal.

i thought the most interesting thing in grizzly man was when the curator at the kodiak museum said that treadwell was doing more harm than good for the bears, by accustoming them to humans. now when a poacher comes to knock one off, they will go right up to him thinking hes just there to take their picture. treadwell didnt help anybody by being up there, obviously not himself or his girlfriend, but not even the bears he swore to "protect".

Q: What was the last thing going through Treadwill's mind when he was being attacked?

A: Bear teeth.

I THINK HE WAS A FUCKING GAY RETARDED VERSION OF THE 'CROCODILE HUNTER'.THAT GUYS CRAZY TOO,BUT AT LEAST HE HAS NOT GOTTEN EATEN YET!!!!! TIM HAD FUCKING MENTAL PROBLEMS,ASIDE FROM BEING A CLOSET FAG. DID YOU SEE HOW HE WAS ALL "CUTE LITTLE FOXES"THEN HE WAS LIKE,"GIMME THAT FUCKING HAT!!!"THEN HOW HE WAS YELLING AT GOD,CALLING HIM "JESUS BOY"AND TELLING HIM TO MAKE IT "FUCKING RAIN".THEN HE PRACTICALLY BUSTED A NUT BECAUSE HE FOUND WARM BEAR SHIT.I THINK THAT PILE OF SHIT WAS SMARTER THEN HIM.LMFAO.I WONDER IF HE SPREAD PEANUT BUTTER ON HIS BALLS SO THE FOXES WOULD PLAY WITH HIM???SERIOUSLY,ALL THAT TIME OUT THERE BY HIMSELF,HE HAD TO GET OFF SOMEHOW.I WOULD'NT BE SURPRISED IF HE TRIED FUCKING A BEAR.OTHER THEN THAT IT WAS SAD HE GOT EATEN BY THE BEAR.THAT POOR BEAR.

WITH ALL THOSE JOKES ABOUT GOD>I WONDER WHERE HE ENDED UP HMMM??? DOES ANYONE ELSE SMELL BURNT PHYSCO FAG???

i feel bad for him for dying in such a horrible way.But i also think there could have been a better way of protecting the bears.What he did did not help at all.How does living in the wild help??r.i.p

i feel bad for him for dying in such a horrible way.But i also think there could have been a better way of protecting the bears.What he did did not help at all.How does living in the wild help?? it is very sad he went that way.May he rest in peace among the bears

After reading some of the notes posted here I can see why Timothy chose the bears! It's sad to think there are so many ignorant people with such total lack of respect for a human life. May God Forgive!

some of you need to have respect for the dead whether you disagree with timothy or not you should never say that someone deserved to die. No one on this earth deserves to die... and he died doing what he loved, it was his choice, have some respect for this man. I dont care what your view on this is, its very in human to act as though your glad someone is dead. It was beyond tragic, People who make fun of another persons death are soulless bastards, and when you die I hope its a joke like your making his death out to be.

Everyone that left comments-
I completely agree with the two comments above me. It is really sad how we are treating the dead. I mean maybe he screwed up, maybe he was trying to serve a purpose in his eyes, but that should give us no right to harshly comment him. I am really ashamed on our childish behavior towards the dead. I don't know one thing about what was going through Timothy Treadwell, or should I say Timothy Dexter's mind. No one commenting here does, eventhough people are willing to say that he was crazy or he had a good heart. But why should we be posting such crude remarks like he deserved it, no one should deserve anything of such harsh fatality, even if they put themselves out there for it. I am neither against or for Timothy Dexter's work. I am just a human and everyone makes mistakes, but why should we be immature and cruel to argue and fight about it. He died, we can't stop it, just leave it alone. The sad thing is that these are adults that are leaving these horrible remarks as well as kids... That is telling you something... grow up.

Some people think they are here to tell the rest of us how we are suppose to feel. Tim was a fraud, the only thing he wanted to protect was his bank account. He failed at every thing he did especally protecting the bears. 4 bears and one fool woman died that night. Murderer Tim Dexter should be what he is called. and for all you high moral ones out there I hear that polor bears and looking for someone to come live with them. They asked me to tell you to bring hot sauce.

on timothy's death: "and i say ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho ho ho ho hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hah hah hah hah hah hah hah"

Sad to think that people can be so cruel with regard to their comments about an individual's death, but unfortunately that's the reality of our world. I wish that all people exhibited displays of love and caring at all times, but the sad fact is that those qualities aren't always commonplace. On a daily basis we see people who break laws, yell profanities at others, lie, cheat, and steal. Others kill and could care less. Human existence on this earth certainly isn't a utopia, and because of human nature, it never will be! There are always people out there who will be cruel, mean, and heartless (as illustrated by many of the comments above), and that sad fact will unfortunately continue to be the case until the end of time. My great hope is that people like "Timmy the Schizo" will be positively impacted by some person or a key life event which ultimately eliminates the hate and cruelty that resides in their hearts and in turn replaces those misguided feelings with love and acceptance!

Haha, I prove my point... Pretty damn mature comments on here you guys. Good Job you have pretty much claimed to the whole world your immature attitudes.

Yea,right you are so mature you have to point out other peoples flaws. Look in the mirror dumb ass.

It must have been horror personified to have the hot breath of rotted flesh blowing in your face as 4 inch claws tear your aorta apart pumping your blood a foot in the air while your chest cavity is ripped open and you are still conscious.
And there are idiots out there that think this attack and deaths are a scam.
Gay or straight,right or wrong,dumb or intellegent - both of these people are dead.
Let it be !!!!!

Go to www.Blairsville.com and click on forum link and go to link of grizzly tape to hear the tape.

I'm sorry that Treadwell & Amie were killed by a bear. Obviously, that's a horrible way to die and I wouldn't want anyone to go that way. I think a lot of the criticism is based on taking observations of Treadwell's words and actions out of context with what was going on at the time which was basically an actor with a video camera pretty much alone in the wilderness. In addition, his tone of voice and the repetitions of "I love you" to the bears was more for the calming effect it had on the bears than a pre-planned dialogue being packaged for the eyes of the world to scrutinize. I wonder how the private thoughts, words and actions of any of us would stand up if they were aired, unedited, for the world to see. (Of course, based on the stupidity I see in several of this posts, most folks don't realize that in trashing Treadwell they are at the same time painting quite a revealiing, and not too flattering, portrait of themselves.)

My personal opinion is that Treadwell was wrong-headed BUT right-hearted in his efforts to draw attention to the bears. Amie exemplifies true heroism, showing extraordinary courage in her attempts to save Timothy in an unimaginable, horrific situation. She was truly an extremely rare person who represents the very best in us as humans. She was with Tim because she loved him and wanted to be with him; it was entirely her choice, she sought HIM out.

So, yeah, Treadwell and Amie are gone BUT their memory will remain to be glorified by some and critized by others. His wish and his efforts to do whatever necessary (including using his actor skills to intentionally paint a questionable, colorful image of himself) succeeded in drawing considerable attention, bringing BEARS and talk about their protection to the forefront of the minds of MILLIONS of people in the world, not counting the hundreds of school children he spoke to and gave free bear photos to. Tim wondered if his efforts would be successful; they were. Tim succeeded in what he set out to do.

Yep, Treadwells gone, BUT guess what? We all die sooner or later. Maybe today, tomorrow, next week, next year 50 yrs. from now. Doesn't matter, we are all going to die eventually along with everyone we hate or everyone we love. How would you be remembered if you died right now? As a Tim Treadwell who died while trying to do what he believed was right and good OR as an unknown, hidden Internet Critic whose claim to fame is posting a paragraph of criticism and attempted witicisms to maintain an inflated ego of yourself with no real substance? Better to attempt to do good than to do nothing but criticize and be worthless.

And to Timothy, you made the observation that you thought God would be pleased and proud of what you were doing. Now I'm sure you know, He was!

"Some men see things as they are and say why. Some men see things that never were and say - Why the Hell Not!" We all dream but how many of us have the courage to take the risks and live that dream? Treadwell did.

Caleb

Come and listen to a story of a man named Tim a poor Californian barely kept himself fed. Then one day he was sitting round the shack trying to think up a way to make some cash. Bread, that is, Dought, don't ya know. So he went up to Alaska and saw himself a bear. Thought it was his brother with a whole lot of hair. A big party animal just a little bit square. The next thing you know old Tim in a grizzle bear.

Do you think someone found the bear scat from the bear and said, it is so warm and Tim is a part of this scat that was in the bear.Recycling now thats where its at.This way Tim is still a part of the land he loved.He will continue to contribute to the land till the scat is returned to the soil and he will be laid to rest forever,or is this just a line of shit. YOU DECIDE.

Mike , Where are you at, you self loathing prickster.

The foul mouthed one. Not the good Mike up above . But the rotten Mike that swears and curses and rambles on and on about What i dont know.

Good post Caleb.

Hey,

I have to add my $.10 in. I have only viewed part of the Discovery Channel about his life with the bears. He was a fool, yes.

However, I keep seeing mostly everyone saying he deserves what he got. We all deserve the worst -- hell. None of us are any better than Treadwell. He was quite foolish and obviously didn't know bears as well as he thought. However, if you just even lied (a little white lie), then you are no better and should not throw the stone at Timothy. If you hated someone, which in God's eyes is murder, then you have commited murder. That's only a few of the commandments so we are guilty of breaking all 10. One sin deserves eternal punishment, so any of you saying I hope one person rots in hell, you may be the very one to do it. YOu must repent and believe in Jesus in order to be saved. We all deserve hell. We have all sinned against God. It doesn't matter the work we do here on earth -- it doesn't matter. Treadwell was not "saved" based on the fact that he was living amongst the bears. He still challeneged God by saying something to the effect of "it hasn't rained. They are eatting their cubs. They are hungry." No, God will not tolerate that behavior. Read Job. He was guilty of what Job did, only except later Job repented. I only hope Treadwell repented for his foolishness. We all deserve the worst and that is hell. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. Have to be perfect to enter heaven. That's why we trust in the Savior, know He died for us, was raised to life, and is at the right hand of the Father. Repent of our sins and turn towards God. I was struck by the fact that Timothy said "I don't know if God exists or not, but he will have to accept me. Look at what I'm doing here." That doesn't matter to God one bit. None are perfect but Jesus was. That's why He died. Good works without believing in Christ, will only send us to hell. God in His word, said that works are like dirty dish rags. If I have not repented truly, I will go to hell. Same with every person here. Jesus and only Jesus can pay the fine that we all so rightly deserve. When we choose to pay for it, there is an eternity to pay. We never repay him. A judge doesn't say since you are sorry that you murdered your wife, I will let you go. No, if htey are a good judge they will make that person pay for the crime they committed. God is the same way. I hated my aunt at one point and Jesus said that's murder so I murdered my aunt with my mind. That one sin deserves hell for eternity. Please consider what I have to say and please think before you say "I hope you rot in hell." You will be treated the way you treat others. You must repent and allow Jesus to pay your fine of sins for you. Don't decide that you will be selfish and pay for it yourself because you can't. You will go to the "lake of fire" as Jesus puts it and endure "weeping and nashing of teeth."

Why is it that these Jesus believers feel they have to tell the rest of us how to live, what to think, and how to feel? Just because they are brain-washed and have to have someone to tell them the difference between right and wrong does not mean that the rest of society needs the same. Go thump your bible some where else. And judge not unless you are judged. Mental, I love it such a fitting description of Tim. But only he would play in bear dung.

I am not going to defend the truth. I told you the absolute truth. There has to be absolute truth that God doesn't exist and well, there isn't any. The only thing that says God doesn't exist is man's wisdom and man's wisdom is worthless and fallible. Too many times people have been wrong about creation or any other matter of life. Creation proves God's existance and if God exists so does Jesus, making my post right on. Whenever God asks to give you an account, you will be reminded of what I told you instantly and all you can say is well I was told so I am without excuse. It's not about what you do, although it is a little bit, its more about the finished work of God. You see, it goes back to our work not mattering. The only work that does matter is TRUE REPENTENCE. That's all I asked you to do. I didn't ask you to read the Bible, sing songs, pray, or anything else of that matter. Otherwise, it becomes work that God will throw out like a dirty dish rag like I said before. Works only matter if Christ is in someone's life. Other than that, it's a no go for God. He will throw out and you will still be judged unrighteous to stand before His throne. You will be cast into hell. Like I said before, I don't fully understand it, but I deserve hell and I can't tell you HOW TO LIVE RIGHT when I HAVE LIVED WRONG FOR ALL MY LIFE. Only God can reveal right and wrong to you. Obviously he has if you felt that you need3ed to respond to my message. Sounds like He convicted you, but you rejected Him once again. I hope you remember this letter on that day which you will because God will remind you of the several times He's called you to repentance and you ignored Him. You see, I can believe He doesn't exist and I can make a God to suit myself. For instance, I would love a God to tell me that I don't need to work or I can take from the department store even something small like a piece of gum. I'd love tojustify myself and my own God. I WOUld love a God to tell me I have a husband who only loves me and I can be selfish and let him do everything in the relationship. By nature, very lazy person here. The truth is I can't wish away or make my own God. If He's there watching, He's watching. If His Son died on the cross 2000 years ago, I can believe it didn't happen but it doesn't negate the fact that that's truth. If it's truth it's truth. The post modern view point doesn't wash up. We can believe anything away that we don't like so it gives us an excuse to be selfish and proud. In Timothy's case, HE BELIEVED THAT BEARS WERE FRIENDLY, HAPPY LITTLE BEARS THAT DOESN'T DO ANY HARM! OK, EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE LITTLE EXCERPT "HE'S A BIG BEAR, HE'S A BIG BEAR." Did it make it true? No, he still got mauled. He may have gotten mauled by the bear, but, my friend, you are being mauled by Satan. Which is worst? Believe he doesn't exist or Jesus doesn't exist -- that's your choice. Not making that choice for you but I can at least let people know about the truth of the Gospel. But, if He's there, you are destroyed for eternity. You can't believe or wish away He isn't there.

I explained the truth and I am not coming back. I have nothing to defend because the truth is the truth. It has already been defended and the truth has already won. I just hope that you don't choose the losing battle.

Please tell me what this has to do with the Treadwell story. If you feel so strongly get in a pulpit and preach your sermons some where else. Hell is right here on earth just read the newspaper if you don't believe me.

OK well first off some of the people on here or rude! Do you really think that any human should loose there life and especialy getting eaten alive by a bear! i dont think so no one deserves to loose there life unless they have taken the life of anoher! He had a passion and that was to study the bears and there habitat it also helped him get over some of his personal struggles in life that includes alcohal and drugs and my opinoin of timithy is he was a strong man and like he said in his video anyone else who would try to live with the bears and study them would die! Studying bears was his passion living with the bears was his passion so why say such rude things like i laughed when i heard he got eaten that is just rude! no one deserves to die and especialy timothy!

Let's just keep on the topic of Treadwell. Does anyone know where he was born? Who his parents were? and where he went to school? I am doing a report and I need some basic info. about his childhood. If any of you guys know this... can you please help me out? Thank you a lot.

He was born on Long Island, NY. I don't remember what year. I haven't been able to learn much about his childhood. His father lives in Florida now. The only thing I can remember is his father said he always loved bears. He was a swimmer in school and had a scholarship to go to collage but had to quit when he hurt his back in an accident. Google his name and you can find out a lot about him. Good luck on your report. If you learn any thing about Amie I would sure like to know more about her. I haven't been able to find out much about her.

There is a movie called Grizzlyman, rent it from blockbuster.
Timothy was a retard. He was so pained in his life he sought the bears to put him "in the moment". the danger derived from being close to death was his only salvation. He was emotionally troubled and needed counseling. Not bears.
He was unscientific in his approach. He endangered bears by desensitizing them to human contact. He also endangered another life through his recklessness. Anyone who wants to defend this man should take their loved ones and live out there with the grizzlies in a tent.

As for the jesus freaks that preach their non sense about god and creation, I ask you to expand your knowledge. Dont preach. People who preach are insecure and not sure of their beliefs so they must force their view point unto others.

God is not external. God lives within each one of us. When we die, god dies and is transformed into what we become next. The dust, the flowers, the stardust that all living things are made of.

Jesusfreaks/religious fanatics are the ruin of this country and every country where compassion and love has flowered.

namaste to all

Thank you Jesus Freak, You articulated that very well. There are also a couple of books about Tim. He definitely had some mental problems, why the state of Alaska didn't stop him from endangering the bears I don't know. I did read somewhere that he was hiding from them thats why his camp was so well hidden. The only thing Tim really wanted to help was himself. He wanted to be Tom Cruise, not Tim Treadwell. His whole life seemed to be a lie. Even his closes friends didn't know where he was from because he told them some big story about being from Astra ilia, didn't they ever wonder why he didn't talk like someone from down under.

Wish that bear would of ate them two girly guys on Brokeback mountain.

Not Brokeback Mountain. Broke-dick Mountain. Yes to bad there is never a bear around when you need one. Sorry Not a Jesus Freak with messing up you moniker.

Right on Anon. He is still hiding, might want to talk to Grizzly Man's winter hideaway woman.....

You're right - his whole life, and death, are a lie.

I don't think his death was a lie. I really think he is dead, I remember seeing it on the news when he was killed. If he were still alive I think the tape of their death would already be out there for us to hear. I do think he was gay and that Amie was only a friend not lover. Seemed his only friends were women, and Amie was a physicians assistant if we can all see his mental instabilities why didn't she. Was she there to watch over this nut job do you think?

Not at all being defensive, but what would it matter if he was gay? And why do you wish the two guys from Brokeback Mountain would have been eaten?

Thanks Travis and here is your reply.Gay cowboys would make such a great meal for a grizzly bear.When you pick a dude over a chick your lifes over man.Anom, am i not right man.

I agree Heman, I liked it better when all that shit was kept in the closet. Some things you just don't need to know or see especially in a movie.

To Travis: If you're looking for real facts on Timothy Treadwell,click on the website,www.shewolfworks.com.and also www.yellowstonebearman.com. Hope that helps!!!!

Thank you so much Chopper. This means a lot.

Is he really dead? Is there really people questioning his death??

If he is in hiding then where? AND where is his friend? She was suppose to leave him after this trip? Any insight send me an email.

How deep is everyone going to obtain information on the bear attack/mauling of Tim and Amie ?

Try www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6869328p-4728315c.html.

I would like this level of information - not just blow-it-out-your-ass quesses !!!!

SORRY MAKE THAT "GUESSES'.

Another place to talk about Timothy.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stillprettysilly/

Hey Bears - to answer your question - he could be anywhere - he wanted to dissappear anyway - especially after the alleged fight with the overweight Alaska Airlines dude which sent him and Amy (begrudgingly) back to the maze in a fit of rage. What a crazy idea to go back at that time of year - he was on a roll. It was a death wish right there - maybe that was the last straw for the guy - also knowing that Amy was not too pleased with what he was doing. A window to start a new a life opened right then. It's completely in the realm of possibility for someone like Timmy to think this through. There have been a few cases of people doing this after 9/11 and also Louisana (more obviously for criminals to take the opportunity). Maybe Amy is the one that is dead - they were on the outs anyway - it's all too wierd. Maybe there was some trouble with poachers that afternoon? His last filmed piece-to-camera was definitely a message - to whom? Some concrete DNA evidence is what is needed - the coroner? Who the heck is he? To be trusted? Handing the wacth to Jewel? Her reaction? Come on.......

I think it was a perfect opportunity to go for what he really wanted - to opt out and be wild with the bears.........or in Alaska, away from people. I didn't buy anything Jewel had to say - or his actor friend - or mountain woman.......it's all really fishy and I don't usually go in for theories on this type of thing - but you have to admit - something is up. Is mountain woman helping with the lie - the singing pilot? Was anyone really in the alleged garbage bags of flesh that came out of the bears - who was it? Was it Timmy and Amy? Was it someone else? Is this a whole ruse, but not a comic one? I can imagine that Herzog is the type of filmmaker that would revel in a disppearance - the fact that someone could pull it off...........I don't know - all I know is that all is not right.............let me know any one out there......

I live in Colorado now,Used to live in Alaska and can lay this debate about Tim to rest. Him and his girlfriend were mauled and killed by a grizzly in Katmai national park. Know the people and area well. Seen the photos and aftermath.Never knew Tim that well ,Seen him from time to time. Kinda off centered and a fanatic in a very weird way.Just another seeker of the sereinity of the Katmai.So lay it to rest or believe what you want. Tim definately made a grave mistake by living with the wild.

"Bears" Read this article below: adds to the mystery and adds to the theroy that something was up with Timmy and his "death"......it's fishy and it does not all add up......................

Daily News
Published: August 28, 2005
Last Modified: September 2, 2005 at 08:46 AM
The bear-mauling deaths of Californians Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard -- widely believed to have happened in the dark of night along the Katmai coast in October -- actually appear to have occurred at midday, according to a new report from the National Park Service.
The report, released Dec. 29, 2003, by a technical board of investigation for Katmai National Park, says the attack began at 1:58 p.m. Oct. 5. The time is based on a date stamp found in a digital video camera the couple turned on just before the attack.
The digital video contains the sounds of the attack but no pictures.
Missy Epping, acting chief ranger for Katmai, said she learned of the date stamp from Alaska Department of Fish and Game biologist Larry Van Daele of Kodiak. Van Daele headed a state investigation into what might have caused the bear attack.
The deaths of Treadwell and Huguenard, however, were investigated by Alaska State Troopers, who have yet to issue a report. Troopers originally said Treadwell's camera had no date stamp, but Van Daele said a Kodiak trooper in late December told him there was a time record.
An afternoon attack changes the thinking about what might have happened at Kaflia Bay, according to bear experts. It was previously assumed the couple were surprised by a grizzly in camp at night, that Treadwell left their tent to confront that bear and that the situation deteriorated.
"I don't know what to say now,'' said John Schoen, a bear authority with the Audubon Society in Alaska. "Were they in their tent asleep, taking a nap or something? Did they try to lure the bear in? Who knows?''
"I guess it makes it in my mind probably less likely that it was some sort of misunderstanding and more likely he provoked the bear,'' said Bruce Bartley of Fish and Game.
Treadwell and Huguenard are believed to have been killed by a 1,000-pound adult male grizzly. Van Daele removed Treadwell's remains from the stomach of such a bear. Park rangers shot and killed the animal after it charged them when they went to investigate the camp where a bush pilot reported seeing Huguenard's remains buried in a bear's food cache.
Troopers who arrived on the scene later found the pictureless videotape with the sounds of the attack and journals kept by the couple. Troopers have refused to discuss any of those documents.
Troopers spokesman Greg Wilkinson said Monday that troopers are still under orders not to talk about the case. He wouldn't confirm whether the new information about the time stamp came from a troopers investigation or from Grizzly People, a Malibu, Calif.-based organization founded to finance Treadwell's forays among the bears in Alaska.
Shortly after the deaths of Treadwell and Huguenard, an attorney for Grizzly People threatened to sue the state if it released any information about the attack. Troopers promptly shipped all documents and tapes south to Grizzly People.
A federal official involved in the investigation told the Daily News that law enforcement officials discussed concerns that if they held the tapes and documents, the items could be subject to state or federal public records laws. There were particular worries, the official said, that the tape might be obtained and broadcast by a tabloid television show. The troopers have repeatedly refused to talk about the case.
The Daily News submitted a public records request to troopers on Oct. 7. On Oct. 29, troopers Director Col. Julie Grimes responded: "This department is not in possession of a copy of the tape. As I'm sure you know, the tape was returned to the representative of the estate of the owner, along with other property found at the location.''
Katmai's Epping said even the Park Service found state troopers uncooperative. The technical board's report notes that "because the state troopers' investigation was not completed when the board convened, the board relied on the testimony of Larry Van Daele regarding the contents of the videotape recovered from the incident site that recorded some of what transpired.''
The board did not have a copy of the tape for review, nor did it have access to the journals. Van Daele said he got a brief look at the journals but did not get the chance to examine them to see whether they provided any insight into what might have happened.
In a telephone interview, Van Daele added that he is sticking with his original conclusion: that Treadwell and Huguenard died because of the poor choice of a campsite on a bear throughway and the chance encounter there with a bear that had a bad attitude.
But he admitted that the latest information does add to the mystery, particularly given that it now appears Treadwell told Huguenard to turn on the camera. It was originally thought that he only wanted to record the sounds of a nighttime encounter, but the fact that it was a daytime encounter challenges that premise.
"Why the heck would they turn it on without taking the lens camp off?'' Van Daele asked. "I've played this over in my mind so many times, and I can't figure that part out.''
(Anchorage Daily News Outdoor editor Craig Medred can be reached at cmedred@adn.com.)

so is there really a tape out there for the public to hear...i mean i see these sites that say pay 15 bucks hear the death tape of timothy treadwell?? I couldn't believe it and i don't have the guts to try it nor the 15 bucks.
just curious

Its most likely a rip off, the tape is suppose to be in one of those weird women's hands. But who really knows. The more I read about this the more confused I get. Was Tim smart enough to get away with something like this. What would be the point, was it insurance fraud?

The point is Anom that he was done, done, done - with society - he wanted out. I am certain his friends (read,"accomplices") didn't care - he's probably somewhere remote mooching off the doc monies that his wierd woman friends manage for him. Watch the documentary again - Jewel, just to name one, is a faker, her reactions are strangely unreal. She said over and over that he wanted to be star in his own movie - well that happened. Amazing how she managed to neatly tie up his estate in a big red bow before the "mauling". Why has the inquest into their deaths stopped? The State troopers won't talk.

There is a movie called Grizzlyman, rent it from blockbuster.
Timothy was a retard. He was so pained in his life he sought the bears to put him "in the moment". the danger derived from being close to death was his only salvation. He was emotionally troubled and needed counseling. Not bears.
He was unscientific in his approach. He endangered bears by desensitizing them to human contact. He also endangered another life through his recklessness. Anyone who wants to defend this man should take their loved ones and live out there with the grizzlies in a tent.

As for the jesus freaks that preach their non sense about god and creation, I ask you to expand your knowledge. Dont preach. People who preach are insecure and not sure of their beliefs so they must force their view point unto others.

God is not external. God lives within each one of us. When we die, god dies and is transformed into what we become next. The dust, the flowers, the stardust that all living things are made of.

Jesusfreaks/religious fanatics are the ruin of this country and every country where compassion and love has flowered.

You don't need to rent it, it is comming on the Descovery Channel Saturday night at 8pm so save your money. If it is a hoax Tim might still be makeing money off of it. If not then Grizzly People or somebody like that is.

I personally think that the audio tape that WAS NOT DESTROYED by what's-her-face, Tim's old girlfriend, after being told to do so by Herzog; PLUS the fact that in the 'round table' discussion of the idiot friends at the end of the segment where that fat-ass male friend says "I personally could NOT destroy anything of Tim's.... even the tape of his and Ami's death!" leads me to beleive that his fat-asss 'Grizzly People' prior girlfriend-now-leader of the 'Grizzly People' is JUST waiting for the chance to make a bundle of cold hard cash by selling the audio tape rights later on down the road.

Mark my words. She's just waitin' for the highest bidder, the scummy bitch.

What fucking losers these Grizzly People are! Tim is no Grizzly Adams and I say Grizzly People be damned!

Look people, If I were a naturalist, a biologist, WHATEVERTHEFUCK....even if I was filming flowers and dead bees *Groan* (Tim: "Oh, a dead bee, I love you...I love you dead bee, LOOK it was doing what it is supposed to do, and it just DIED from eating the Alaskan Fire-whateverthefuck weed flower! O MY! The bee is dead! I love you little bee; Oh it moved. Was it asleep??") I'd be packing big time.....in the wild?

My .44 magnum with SIX 240 grain hollowpoints with 12 more in 2 reloaders would be with me 24/7. My pistol in my shoulder holster, and my reloaders at the ready. PLUS a big game rifle with plenty of ammo...ESPECIALLY if i had loved ones with me. Jezzuz, it's a no fuckin' brainer!

Oh, by the way Honey, let's set the tent up right in the middle of this FUCKING BEAR TRAIL...it's ok sweetie, soon it'll be party time with the little bear's,,,why....even my little stuffed bear that I love almost as much as you know them and they know him....so cuddly...so cute...this is going to be so much fun fun FUN!

I saw the Discovery Channel flik tonight and I agree with the majority. The man was unstable and very very foolish, and his dumbass woman was doubly-so.

You could be right about the tape. But I'm not so sure Amie wasn't an Andy. May be the reason we don't see much of Amie is because she was really a he. I have asked others this and some agree some don't what do you think?

I am in the process of watching Grizzle man on Discovery theres about 45 minutes left in the show. I have also been reading the comments on this board as well. I am a person that not only appreciates nature but I under stand it as well. I have taken many pictures of wild animals in there natural habitat all I can say about Timothy is WHAT THE HELL WAS THIS IDIOT THINKING!!!! No matter how much you love animals or are extreamly passionet about a certian species as Timothy was you do not interact with them in away that disrupts the natural ballence. You film at a distance you dont try to earn the trust and get them use to you. All this does in indanger the animal. Once a wild animals looses its fear of man there is nothing to keep it from wondering into a populated area and harming people or peoples pets. Wich in turn gets the animal killed. If your are trying to protect animals why would you do something that would put them in possible danger. Such cases with bears have happend in Alaska, California, Colorado and serval other states not to menchen cases with other kinds of animals. If Timothy was so dam smart and knew so much about bears he would have not only known that but he would have had the same mentality as the people who do deal with wild animals in Holly Wood and Zoos that they are wild animals and can kill you and if giving the right opperunity will. Plus bears are the largest natural prepitor in north american capable of killing any animal in north america and they have no problem killing and eating there own if needs be why would anyone in there RIGHT MIND put them selves in the situation Timothy did inless they did have a death wish or there ego was so big and out of contole they thought they were invinceable. In Timothy cases from watching this show I believe his problem was both. Everything you could do wrong when dealing with wild animals in nature a specailly preditors he did. Was his death tragic. That depends on you point of few. Timothy made him self and Amy targets for the bears and one bear took advantage of the oppertunity. Did the bear do something wrong? No ! Was the bear doing what just comes natural to him? YES!! People were amazed Timothy lasted as long as he did out there with the bears and I am pretty amazed as well. He was lucky for quite a while but he luck seemed to have run out. As for Amy being a poor victom I disagree with that as well. She was 37 years old and according to the people on the film she knew what she was getting into. If this is so then she in my book is not a poor victom. Timothy and Amy's death may seem tragic to alot of people but not to me. They put them selves in harms way and they paid the price for it. Sorry but I have no remorse for there deaths because in my eyes there deaths were brought on by them selves. 2 bears how ever were killed for doing nothing more then being bears.Thats the real tragity. If there deaths would have taken place under different cirumstances such as the bears attacked them in there backyard in town then yes I would feel sorry for them. But they were in the bears habitat and they did nothing to safeguard them selves. Timothy came accross as nothing more then a hiperactive skitso with no real grasp of what he was truly dealing with. His whole story seems to be nothing more then a self proclaimed animal activist doing everything possible wrong to get back at society and the government and trying to get famouse for it and he paid the altimate price for it. As for Amy all that comes to mind is a quote from the movie Star Wars were Obi won says to solo " Who"s the bigger fool? The one that leads or the one that fallows?"

It's a fake and a study in documentaing a clever disappearance. Someone was killed that afternoon (and it was afternoon not evening) by the bears - but not Timmy. He's still alive. Why is the case still open? The State troopers aren't talking, it's still under investigation...... So, who were the people in the garbage bags of flesh pulled from the bears? Well, that's the million dollar question......

Timmy, you can come out now.........

Interesting commentary on a clever disappearance theory. MAYBE
Anyone remember the 1999 release of the BLAIR WITCH PROJECT ? There is an underlying theme to that movie in that it was a true story, but ultimately it was a money making hoax. Way different story line - but it was complete with false reports, sightings, journals,interviews, still photos, video / audio,etc.

Any remote possibility this could be a simular event, or maybe not !!!

Why is there no information out there about Amie ? Nothing about friends, family, her actual place of employment ( previous and the "new" job), name of the college she attended, a degree in what?, any CA. DVM information, what was done with or who claimed her remains and personal belongings - she just kind of appears out of know where in this tragic timeline and goes away just as fast.
Find that depth of information and who knows what could surface.

I read on another site (I'll get you guys the url later) where the general consensus is that the bear that did the actual killing was a completely different bear than the old 28 year old or the 3 year old that later charged the troopers.

We know it was raining, we know it was windy (from the tape, supposedly) and we know the tent was set up in the middle of the bear trail.

Now suppose a different bear from the interior ambled along the trail. It smells food from the tent and outside, because Tim and Amie were due to be picked up the following morning. Due to the weather, they realized they only had a short 'window' of opportunity to meet the plane, so according to other reports I read, when they found the bodies, there were snacks etc opened up and stuff piled up outside the tent including foofstuffs.

Bear comes along, Tim goes outside to shoo the bear away because this is what he did to invasive bears. We saw it on the film. This bear however, saw his behavior as combative and he tore into Tim. Amie hears the commotion, goes outside after asking Tim if the bear is gone...it evidently attacked and left for a minute. But, sensing an easy meal comes back, and now Amie, as a physicians helper is trying to assess Tim's wounds. The bear approaches two people on the groung, Tim laying on it, and Amie kneeling to assist. Bear comes back to claim his 'kill' because as he views it Amie is simply another predator claiming his rightful dinner.

Amie screams as the bear grabs Tim and pulls him away because the tape shows that Tims screams are fading away, he is being dragged away. I'm not sure if Amie hit the bear on the head with the skillet during the first attack or the second.

The fact that the troopers found the tent flattened, and the tracks around the tent indicate that Amie backed off and tried to keep the tent between her and the now-enraged bear. round and round they go until the bear just lunges over the tent and grabs her.

Two meals in one! Not a bad deal for the bear. The remains were partially buried in sticks and mud (as bears do when they eat animals alive) and possibly the big OLDER bear came along and sent the unknown bear into the wild. It was noted in the article I read that an older bear just needs to approach an ousider to repel the other dining bear.

The spooky thing is, that when the men found the remains, both Tim's and Aime's shoes were lined up neatly at the entrance to the tent...Whoa!

As far as the audio tape being turned on...there is speculation that the attack happened in the afternoon, not long after we see on the film where Tim was taping 5 hours or so before the incident.

The tape could have been left on inadvertently and was on back-up power in the bag. That is one explanation.

I found the Movie very interesting,but very coincidental , so much in fact it's hard to believe this is actually true as far as Tims Fate,so much like the Blair Witch deal ya know,but ok, say this is real, I feel very sad for the guy who had porpose and meaning even though some differ in his beliefs , No he didnt diserve to die nobody does! (get real peps.)Ya he was a bit crazy , I myself have been to Africa and I learned alot in my time there there are Preditors!!!(FOOD CHAIN,meaning all are being hunted by another animal,even Lions get their butts whipped at times. Lions seem to have a respect for humans and dont generally just attack humans, maybe it's our intelligence they respect somewhat , but they know in Africa and teach all that come there you dont cross certain lines, because they are wild and can be unpredictable. You know what, the most attacks and deaths by an animal in Africa don't come from Lions they come from Hippos, these monsters have bad attitudes im telling ya. I watched Tim kiss the bear? what tha heck was he thinking?, I have this vision after seeing the movie this guy probably wanted to give the bear a goodbye hug or something, He was a bit on the edge and reminds me of that crocodile hunter guy from Austrailia, I laugh so hard at that dude ,but no I don't wish the guy any harm thats not Godly. Anyway Timothy was one of a kind no doubt and gave us an insight most never dare attempt God Bless Timothy and his Girl.(still in the back of my mind thinking this is a ploy to sell a movie but what do I know , take care all. Bill from the real world

She had a degree in micro-biology, went to collage in Alabama, and was living in Colorado when she met Tim. Supposedly she went after him (hard to believe) and wanted to help him help the bears. Evidently she was as mentally defective as he was if she even was a she. Also she was suppose to be a physician's assistant. Which is almost as good as a doctor. How could she not see how mentally incompetent he was. Where were his four siblings, didn't want all of the world to know they were remotely kin to Tim you think? Who did he beat at the end of this piece of crap he was talking about kicking somebody's butt. If he wanted to kick butt shouldn't he have started with the people throwing rocks at the bear. Instead of hiding in the bushes wetting his pants like a little girl. I think he might have been there growing an illegal substance and smoking it from the way he acted most of the time. The only thing to learn from this is if you want to study animals and you don't want to go to school to learn how to do it right then don't study man eaters. Stick to the goldfish in your local pet store. And never give a video camera to a bipolar idiot no matter how good the video is it's gonna end bad.

Here's one site with a lot of commentaries etc from Alaskan residents that is a pretty informative one.

http://www.jimlynch.com/blog/index.php?p=346

and another good one from Readers "Digest" (Sorry! No pun inteneded...well maybe...

http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.do?contentId=19191

"The only thing to learn from this is if you want to study animals and you don't want to go to school to learn how to do it right then don't study man eaters. Stick to the goldfish in your local pet store. And never give a video camera to a bipolar idiot no matter how good the video is it's gonna end bad." Anon

That's a pretty damn good way to put it Anon! I don't think I could have put it any better than that!

http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html
Another pretty good one.

Thanks for the new sites Grand Slam and the complement. After reading the excerpt from Jans maybe Amie was a girl. I still don't understand why she couldn't see how bad off Tim was but I guess nobody ever understands someone else's obsesion.

I am leaning to the theory of a hoax. If Discovery re-airs the show or should I say when. Watch it again and watch the footage specailly when he is close to the bears. The reason I say that is two seens really stuck in my mind do to they didnt look right. The first one was when he was standing behind the bear after the big bear fight on the river bank. He is kneeling down and the bear is laying down. The footage does not seem to be in perportion. To me it also most looks like some editing was done to blend two different footage outtakes. The second is later on towards the end when he is sitting on the bank of a stream and there is a bear in the stream ( Supposedly its the bear that later kills Tim and Amy) to me that footage looks like its shot on a green screen. The distance from Tim to the bear isnt that far but yet the size of tim and the bear seems off. The more I think about it the more alot of things in the movie seem off.

AN INVENTED LIFE .....................

AN INVENTED DEATH.....................

say no more

After doing some more reading on the Jim Lynch site I'm starting to think that Tim's friend Jewel was as sick as old Tim. The Culmination of his life's work was to end up a steaming pile of bear dung. How could you say that about some one you were suppose to care about. I guess she didn't care about the bears that lost there life either. It just amazes me how shit all stupid some people can be. What about protecting the bears, Jewel, how did him getting eaten help any bears? Please anyone out there thinking of sending this bogus charity any money don't. There are plenty of animal charities that actually help animals. I like the Elephant Sanctuary in Tennessee they could use any help no matter how small. But don't expect to be able to go and see them you can't.

Hey Y'all is the Purina Bear Chow wedpage?

O.K. I watched the footage on Discovery about Tim. It's probably some of the greatest television I have ever seen. He is obviously dillusional. It's kind of sad because he truly beleived he was helping these bears. I didn't know they needed his help. He spent way to much time in the Grizzly Maze by himself which contributed to his lunacy.

Is it just me or does Tim look like the blond guy from the TV show Queer Eye For The Straight Guy? He did kind of act like him

Tim's show would be called Queer Eye for the Bear Guy. And yes he did act like that guy.

Hmmmm Could Timothy and Carson be long lost Brothers then? Or if your into the hoax theory could Timothy facked his death so he could become Carson ?

Interesting theory, it definitly sounds like some thing he would do.

I posted the tape for you...

http://media.putfile.com/Tim-Treadwell-bear-attack

Phil - Where did you get the tape?

FYI: Grizzly Adams tortured and beat his bears into submission. Then one of them mauled him about the head, whereas he slowly died from infection. So, your right Timothy was no Grizzly Adams. PUNK!

Sunshine is that you? It's all good.

LOL! ::::kickin' dirt::: it was me. It slipped, really.

For all of you fantastically bright frat-boy Timothy haters. Do me a favor and mistake a shotgun for your fathers penis and stick it down your throat. See.

I just listened to the audio recording from the link posted above and it sounds fake to me just as his show was fake

I love the internet so many nice people. You can really tell how good a public education is. Spellin and grammer and insults did you major in them?

Hey Phil - The audio you posted sounds more like the first album / first song released by Black Sabbath minus the background church bells, of course.
Have to admit - never heard thunder ramble on for a straight two minutes - must be a Alaska thing.

all i can say is timothy treadwell had balls. least he was doing what he liked in life. some people here hiding behind a computer would piss on themselves if a frickin raccoon ran in front of them in the woods. maybe he did get to close to them ,maybe he was there at the wrong time. But he teaches one thing. we need to shoot stupid people not bears. to many dumbass people in the world an not enough cannibals to thin the idiots out.people move to get closer to the wilderness. by building houses in the mountains and woods and expect owe because iam there. the wild animals won't eat my kids or animals because i am human. not. don't blame them for something that they have been doing for thousands of years. we have always been on the food chain.

all i can say is timothy treadwell had balls. least he was doing what he liked in life. some people here hiding behind a computer would piss on themselves if a frickin raccoon ran in front of them in the woods. maybe he did get to close to them ,maybe he was there at the wrong time. But he teaches one thing. we need to shoot stupid people not bears. to many idiot people in the world an not enough cannibals to thin the idiots out.people move to get closer to the wilderness. by building houses in the mountains and woods and expect owe because iam there. the wild animals won't eat my kids or animals because i am human. not. don't blame them for something that they have been doing for thousands of years. we have always been on the food chain.

all i can say is timothy treadwell had balls. least he was doing what he liked in life. some people here hiding behind a computer would piss on themselves if a raccoon ran in front of them in the woods. maybe he did get to close to them ,maybe he was there at the wrong time. But he teaches one thing. we need to shoot stupid people not bears. to many dumbass people in the world an not enough cannibals to thin the idiots out.people move to get closer to the wilderness. by building houses in the mountains and woods and expect owe because iam there. the wild animals won't eat my kids or animals because i am human. not. don't blame them for something that they have been doing for thousands of years. we have always been on the food chain.

What Tim needed was brains. Where were his balls when the guy was throwing rocks at the bear? He sounded more like a little girl pissing his pants in the bushes.

I do agree on the people who move into the country. They put up lights tear down habitat and then their scared of every sound in the night.

What they fail to understand is the animals were there first. But then they don't really care about animals. All they care about is me, me, mine! They lie, cheat, steal, just to make sure they have the biggest, best,most expensive things. I'm better than you and thats all that matters is their life's motto.

To our society money is the end all be all of existence.

Animals have no place in a society like that if you can't make money from it, it has no value.

Tim was using the bears for his own gain, he wasn't there to help them. He was there to profit from them.

I agree Reannon....Disney was in the works no? (Heading of this thread) and he wanted to be in the limelight....not to 'Save the bears'....like they REALLY ed his help to be saved!

No, he was out to exploit those 'resourses' for his own gain, you are correct.

I say "If the shoo fits, bear it!" He tried to shoo one too many a bear away, and if I know even a modicum of wild beast behavior, they, like lions and tigers have shown....(just look at what happened in Los Vegas to Sigfreid and Roy).

I'm fairly certain that several animals, other bears, his precious foxes, and other carnivores of the night might have fed on those two knuckle-headed Ninny's, and although Amie never related to anyone that she would LOVE to end up as bear shit, Tim certainly did.

He and she are probably the product of several speciess 'scat' warm or no.

He definitely got his wish.

Tim does look a bit like Carson from Q.E.F.T.S.G., but i think even Carson has more brains than to go out and decorate bear habitat and groom them for a spectacular makeover!

Ribbons in the bears' mane, manicured toenails, and lipstick on their kissers notwithstanding!

(EDITED FOR GRAMMATICAL ERRORS AND CONTEXTUAL REMISS!)

I agree Reannon....Disney was in the works no? (Heading of this thread) and he wanted to be in the limelight....not to 'Save the bears'....like they REALLY need his help to be saved!

No, he was out to exploit those 'resourses' for his own selfish gain, you are correct. Mr. Bear Kisser Extraordinaire AND Mother Superior of the Bear whisperer Society et al.

I say "If the shoo fits, bear it!" He tried to shoo one too many a bear away, and if I know even a modicum of wild beast behavior, they, like lions and tigers have shown....(just look at what happened in Los Vegas to Sigfreid and Roy)...wild animals CANNOT be tamed even well-fed, they will turn on a man and try to EAT him, garish, glitzy stage-clothing and all.

So I ask you-all. Wild animals need to be where? In the WILD! Sheesh, it's a typical no-brainer!

I'm fairly certain that several animals, other bears, his precious foxes, and other carnivores of the night might have fed on those two knuckle-headed Ninny's, and although Amie never related to anyone that she would LOVE to end up as bear shit, Tim certainly did. bears typically feed for a while, then amble off to sleep, take a "T&A" (Timmy and Amie) dump, away from the food cache, doze on a full belly, sleep, get up and go back to the mangled food pile and feed some more...crunch a few bones, suck out some bone-marrow (My favorite) and head back down the trail for more T&A dumpage, doze, etc.

What happens when brother bear is gone of to 'scat n' sleep? Sneaky 'others' get a "Bear'ing" on some prime rib and loins and already much-munched hamburger and, with napkins, knives, forks, and yes spoons poised, they all sashay to the dinner table where they squabble over morsels 'till "Ollie the Grumpy Bear" returns. (Tim's moniker for him, never mine!)

He and she are probably the product of several species 'scat' warm or no. In several Alaskan locales!

One thing I can say for sure, Tim definitely got his wish, although a couple of his 'friends' got shot up big-time in the aftermath. 11 shots? What the hell was this trooper thinking. 9mm is WAY too small to stop a bear in his tracks. I've hunted bear and #1 you shoot a bear in his CHEST, not his big hard head. A big slug, .44 mag, 45 acp for pistol, 460 Weatherby or large bore rifle.

Close up hunting in thick brush negates aa big rifle with a scope, and even a bare-sight rifle minus a scope, correctly sighted in, is almost useless in thick country.

a BIG pistol with a heart/lung shot through the less-armoured chest does the trick every time. UNLESS the bear has you, and then you just shove the gun in his moluth and pull the trigger as fast as you can.

Tim does look a bit like Carson from Q.E.F.T.S.G., but i think even Carson has more brains than to go out and decorate bear habitat and groom them for a spectacular makeover!

Ribbons in the bears' mane, manicured toenails, and lipstick on their kissers notwithstanding!

I'm impressed didn't take you for a hunter. I know there were a lot of little animals and insects that munched on old Tim and Amie. So I feel sure he ended up as poop from something. I wonder if there were any skunks up there, I think Tim would be better suited to being skunk scat don't you?

Bad Man,

Did you kill Timmy?

I saw the show. I listened to the audio recording from the link posted above. I have also skimed threw the posts on the board and found many of them to be quite amuzing to down right LOL funny. Queer Eye For The Bear Guy has to be one of my favorits. Fallowed very closely by the comment of shooting stupid people. The audio sounds exteamly fake to me. And thinking back on the show I did see quite a few seens that just did not look right to me. Some of it looked like he was being filmed in a area bears had been in and the two section of tape were combined to make it look like he was right there with the bear. As for the audio well I have heard more convincing dialog in porn movies. I will have to agree with the hoax theory. And also the theory that Timothy faked his death to become Carson on queer eye for the straight guy. If it wasnt a hoax and Tim and Aim were actually killed by the bear well all I can say is they showed 1 really good reason not to camp on a bear trail. And stupid people do need to be taken out. Kind of like what actually happends in nature where the preditor takes out the weekest members of a heard. Ooopppss I guess thats kind of what happend anyway wasnt it. To Jack your right there are to many idoits out there. I think everyone in the world should have to take a commen sence test and people who score below a certain score have to wear white shirts with big red bulls eyes on them so other know who they need to hunt down and take out.

Jack I agree with your comments about all the idiots out there. Maybe everyone in the world should have to take a commen sence test and those who score below a certain score should have to wear white shirts and big red bulls eyes on them so people know who to hunt down and take out. That way we would be fallowing the natural order of things were the preditors take out the weekest members of a heard. Or if thats to harsh we take those people who scored low and have them camp on bear trails

All of you out there posting these terrible comments on this site should feel terrible. The man and a woman died. Most of you didn't even know them, yet you can watch a 1 hour and 4 minute movie and make judgements on him based on that. For those of you out there that think he and his girlfriend deserved to die are just plain sick. You're the ones that need to seek medical help. To have no remorse over a human life and one you didn't know at that. In no way did this man DESERVE to die. No innocent person deserves to die. So for all of you posting this garbage just keep it up. Sit on your computer and tell yourself you know everything and you're the greatest person in the world. I'm happy that Timothy found other means to feel good rather than drugs and alcohol. All of you sick people are probably having a beer as you type on here because that's the only way you know how to feel good. So until any of you can say you've experienced Timothy Treadwell's life first hand, please keep your terrible comments to yourselves.

They have been dead for a few years. If Tim had not wanted attention he wouldn't have done what he did.

Maybe its time you built a bridge and got over it.

Jokeing about death is natural, its how some people cope.

Besides that a lot of young people are just that.

People are wondering why Timothy preferred to live in the wilderness as opposed to the "real world." Well judging by some of the comments on this board by pure SCUM, who could blame him?

To RP:
Do you feel better now, more important? Are you not as guilty as the others? You have judged people after only reading a few post. You didn't even have a video to watch yet felt compelled to make a comment. So why don't you keep it up sitting at your desk making yourself feel better by criticizing others.

To Kippy:
It takes scum to know scum or scum of a feather flock together.

As to the Tim and Amie story, well what can I say the whole story is a comedy of errors. If you wake up from a suicide attempt and decide to go live in the wild with animals that are man eaters you kind of ask for what you get.

Sick comments=sick people. Enough said

It takes one to know one, need I say more.

OK, first off I just want to say that I dont think anyone, no matter what they ever have done would deserve such a death. I know it was a risk; but it is so shameful for one to say unto another that they deserved it. They guy did seem a little on the "brain is fizzled" side of things, but he did do it to escape addictions. SO WHAT if he cared for bears? At least he could look back and feel good that he did something he enjoyed. Now I'm not saying go out and protect animals, for i am not a tree-hugger myself. But I DO NOT look down on people for doing so, people are people. everyone has different views, feelings and attitudes about things and so what, he had his! If it wasnt him out there, it would have been someone else. I mean, look at that guy living out in Africa for some odd years with the lions! People are all over doing this, he wasn't the only one.

I agree with you I wouldn't wish that kind of death on my worst enemy. But if you play with fire long enough you're going to get burnt.

Besides that Tim may have loved the Kodiak bears but he proved to be a poor protector. Some time love just isn't enough.

To RP
OK now clime down off your cross use the the wood to make a bridge and get over it.

As for the Death of Tim and Aim well sense the case is still under investigation by Alaskan Authorities I will say the alleged death of Tim and Aim being killed by a 900 lbs + Kodiak bear would be a tragic way to go. How ever if you decide to camp in a area that has a large population of bears such as Kodiaks or the largest member of the grizzle family the Alaskan Brown Bear wich can reach 10 ft tall and weights of around 1200 lbs. and you make your camp on a well used bear trail I am sorry but you are asking to get killed. Is the loss of a human life a tragic thing well that depends on your point of view. person dieing of a illness or killed by a drunk driver yes thats tragic. A person who goes out into the alaskan wilderness compleatly unarmed and makes his camp on a heavly used bear trail. Sorry I view that as self inflicted and have to pitty or remore for there stupidy. As fafr as I am concerned they were just commiting suicide.

If you go on an Alaskan Cruise in the spring and summer time an in if you go ashore in areas that are know to have bears they give you warnings such as if you do go into bear country you should cary a can of pepper spray and but bells on your shoes because the noise will scare off bears. They also tell you what to look for such as Black Bear dung is small and round and usually has nut and squirrel fur in it. Grizzle bear dung is larger and has bells in it and smells of pepper spray.

After watching Grizzly Man recently, I did a websearch and found this board and have been reading it and reading other sites about Mr. Treadwell and Grizzly People.

To those who are judging, criticizing, and belittling what people are saying on here about their thoughts and feelings (such as applauding the bear for making a tasty snack out of him and his companion)... take a moment and realize that you are doing exactly what you are condemning them for. I agree that it is coming across harsh in some cases on here... but people are only stating their thoughts and feelings on the subject. Don't condemn anyone for having an opinion and expressing it. Only one extreme being should judge us all... and if your initials aren't JC then please stop with the preaching and the judgement calls.

I agree that it is tragic when any human or animal loses it's life be it by natural causes, long illnesses, sudden accidents, etc. But for someone to purposely put themselves in harms way and agitate the divine scheme of things... overall commiting suicide in my eyes, the remorse and pity I should feel aren't there.

I do respect anyone out there that has hopes, dreams, and missions in life. Mr. Treadwell did follow his heart and did do what he loved... regardless if he had any sense or not. I applaud him for his mission in life but not his lack of education and actions in pursuing his quest. Please notice that I call him Mr. Treadwell out of respect for him as a person, not in a condescending way.

In my honest opinion, I feel he was out there more to make a name for himself and boost his ego and career rather than for the plight of the bears. Throughout the documentary, I never saw him show an ounce of respect for the bears or any of the animals. He seemed to treat all the animals as domesticated pets... not the predators that they were. Yes, wild animals are beautiful and you may think they are cute and cuddly... but by no means does that mean you should acclimate wild animals to humans, try to domesticate them in any way, etc. I mean, who in their right mind would try to approach one of these wild animals and attempt to touch it in any way? Respect the animal and give it the space that it needs and deserves.

To my understanding, this case is still open and ongoing. Part of me tends to believe the hoax theory and that the deaths were faked. The reasons being as follows:

1) Why would the investigation still be ongoing unless the authorities also believe that something is suspicious and it could be a hoax. If it was truly an actual bear mauling, it should be an open and shut case.

2) The tape of the "mauling" sounds extremely fake. The sounds of the wind on the tape sounds like someone blowing into a microphone. The sounds of the bear sounds like a soundtrack recording of a bear used in film. The screaming of Mr. Treadwell and his companion sound echoey, like they are indoors in a room. The part of the recording I heard... Mr. Treadwell's screams sound loud and clear throughout. If someone was injured and bleeding that profusely from a bear attack, they would have been in shock and their screams would be weaker over a short period of time.

3) Autopsy photos would have already been published and the "mauling" recording would have already been sold to the highest bidder and posted on the internet long ago if it was true. Morbid but sick fact in this crazy world we live in.

4) And the final reasons I believe it's all a hoax... Mr. Treadwell was an eccentric person with an ego too large to handle. In the documentary he tried so hard to make it look like he was doing it all alone (especially when he was shooing off the plane that was dropping his companion off and bringing him supplies). This shows he was willing to lie to try to show the world he was a lone crusader.

Mr. Treadwell reminds me of an artist and a performer in many ways. In most cases, when an artist or performer dies... his/her work is worth a lot more money. Doesn't it make sense that he would fake his death so that Grizzly Man would make more money, he would make a bigger name for himself, and the Grizzly People organization would benefit from it as well?

As I stated before, these are just my thoughts, theories, and opinions on the matter. It's sad that innocent people and 2 bears lost their lives. I truly feel that the Alaskan Park Services should sue the Treadwell estate and Grizzly People for restitution in the matter. Mr. Treadwell was warned and knew of the dangers of entering a bear habitat alone and unarmed,doing nothing to protect himself. The end result: 2 bears died doing what a wild animal naturally does... surviving. The animals he was so obsessed in saving and protecting were ultimately killed by him. I leave you with this... if you play with fire, you're gonna get burned.

All of you people are just upset because the voices decided to talk to Timothy and not you

I forgot to mention another reason I believe it was a hoax. Mr. Treadwell was vain. Jewell said that every one of his coat pockets always had a mirror in it. He loved being on camera and part of the documantary showed him checking out his hair. Don't you think that someone that vain and loved to document everything would have photage of the attack? If he was going out to confront a bear and chase it away from the campsite.. I think he would want that on tape (if it was real).

Hmmmm Timothy was vain. Carried a bunch of mirrors with and woulkd check his hair and loved being on camera and had a big ego.. Sorry I still think he faked his death so he could become carson on queer eye..

Well said my friend. I only wish I had your style.

MY previous comment was for Boo Boo Bear.

Today and Queer Eye For The Bear Guy

We are going to transform this scrawny grizzly into a "STUD" and make is den for one into a "LOVE NEST". After the hair cut and manicure we will teach our "New Stud" finer points of romatic dinning.

As for the hoax thing I don't know. I can't believe the State Troopers would go along with that. There is a side story out there that tells about the largest brown bear killed in Alaska that tied in with Tim's story. It turned out to be a hoax. The bear was suppose to have killed and eaten two people before an Alaskan forest service employee killed it. By shooting it in the head. Human remains were found in the bear. The remains of one person were found but nothing of the other body was found other than what was in the bear. But like I said that is not a true story. That bear was killed by a Airman stationed in Alaska who was out hunting for deer and said the bear was going to attack or may hadn't even seen him and his friend but was definitely coming toward them.

http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10740/
then go to
Big Bear Photos Circulating

Tape fake ?
If is fake is a good one! Just think about it? if you scream as loud, and call for help, and shouting I'm getting kill out here!in any good size neighborhood, anyone can hear and call the cops on you, to record a such violent screaming tape, you must be in a Hollywood movie studio, or you live in the middle of the desert, when only coyotes can hear you. Think about it?

And one more thing I agree with the person above, the troopers, Alaska fish and Game, the airplane pilot,they're not gonna lie for the movie,I think people wants more proof, but they're not going to show horror photos like heads and the faces of the victims,and tomorrow the real tape might pop up on the web, and I'm sure people will still saying that it's fake.

Has anyone here seen the film Deadly Passion it is suppose to be a much better source of what Tim was doing out there. A lot of experts and things like that. I know copy right laws and things like that keep any one from quoting and telling us about the details but I don't have access to this movie at this time (not an age thing its a money thing) and have a few questions if you could answer them I would always be grateful.

Does this movie actually say what Tim contributed to bear research or if the remains found in the camp were definitely Tim & Amie?

Another thing I've noticed I've been all over the web looking for information on this subject. I've seen lots of pictures of the bears and the place but I have not found one that has Tim credited for it except on the GP web site. And the direct story of his death, hoax or what ever it is.

If I were a rich person I think I would lead an expedition to Alaska to find Tim? Because I do know that if you want to disappear there is hardly a better place to do it than the wilds of Alaska.

Why is only two minutes of the audio tape? Where's the rest of the 6 min?

Today on Queer Eye For The Bear Guy

Today show is going to be ssssoooooo FABULOUS!!!!
We found this adorable young Kodiak bear who seemed to be a social out cast. So today were going make over our little "Ugly Duckling" and turn him into the "Bell Of The Ball". We plan on giving him a more modern looking hair cut and do away with this shag look and give him some highlights to show off his BEAUTIFUL shiney coat. Then we will teach him how to carry him self in a more masculant way to attrack a mate.

Why is only two minutes of the audio tape? Where's the rest of the 6 min?

Posted by: Ursus at March 4, 2006 01:41 PM

There was only 2 minutes of audio tape because after editingout all the giggling and direction from the director in the sound studio thats all that was left

Good point Ursus, if you do scream loud enough people will hear you and call for help. Unfortunately, screaming in the Alaskan wilderness won't attract the attention that you're needing for help.

My main point was this... usually during bear attacks it is always documented that bears first typically go for the victims heads. In Mr. Treadwells case it sounds like the bear may have attacked another body part first to allow Mr. Treadwell to live longer. But if razor sharp bear claws and bear teeth rip through a humans skin, you have to agree that the person would be bleeding in very large amounts. What usually occurs when this happens? Due to large amounts of blood loss a person most always goes into shock... breathing becomes shallower, the voice gets weaker, you lose consciousness. This happens very quickly. Mr. Treadwell was very loud and clear making it seem that he never went into shock. I know that usually adrenaline will kick in as well. I'll admit that I'm no expert on these matters... but this is my theory and why I believe it was faked.

You said that you don't believe the Alaskan Authorities or the Alaskan Fish & Game department would lie about it. I agree with you there. But they in no way have proved to us that the remains do belong to Mr. Treadwell and Amie. Have DNA tests been done? Where are the photos of the remains? Has anyone actually identified any of the remains that would know for a fact it was truly them (such as family members, etc.)? Since none of this has been made public, it looks suspicious to me. That would be like someone saying that they found the lost city of Atlantis but had no pictures or proof of their find. Would we believe it on their word or do you think people would want photage and other physical proof before they believed?

As for you stating that people want proof but they won't show horror photos of the victims heads or faces... I strongly disagree with that. I've seen many post morterm websites out there showing very disturbing pictures of the remains of peoples heads (or whats left) after shotgun blasts, decapitations due to helicopter accidents, human remains after very bizarre and unnatural deaths, numerous autposy photos, etc. So if there were actually photos of Mr. Treadwell and Amies remains taken at the campsite or in body bags, they would be out there by now.

Again, these are just my thoughts on the matter. I enjoy reading other's thoughts on this as well. And as far as the Queer Eye For The Bear Guy comments, very cute... thanks for the comic relief. :)

Q: What do you call a Blond unarmed skidso wondering around in the Alaskan wilderness?

A: Lunch

NO POACHING HUH!?
Over the last few years, government has adopted a number of proactive
> actions as part of its commitment to a precautionary approach to
> sustainable grizzly bear management, including:
>
> Significant reductions in the hunt since 2001, with a short-term
> suspension starting in 2006;
> Habitat mapping and DNA census to establish baseline data on population
> estimates;
> Education programs for Albertans and industry operating in bear ranges,
> and legislation to make it illegal to leave bear attractants in the
> backcountry;
> Increased on-the-ground bear aversion, vegetation management, emergency
> response and access management to increase public safety and reduce bear
> encounters;
> $100,000 maximum fines for poaching;
> Increase funding for enforcement and prevention by Fish and Wildlife
> Officers; and
> Increased monitoring systems and equipment to better analyze all bear
> mortalities and relocations.
> Since April 1 of last year, there have been over 2,500 reported bear
> occurrences or encounters, 400 of them involving grizzly bears. Fish and
> Wildlife staff are on-call 24-hours a day through the Report-A-Poacher
> line (1-800-642-3800) to respond to emergency public safety situations
> involving wildlife

After reading every thing on the web I can find about this subject I have more questions than answers.
1. Do I think Tim Dexter was the kind of person that would try to pull a hoax?

Yes, although that is my opinion.

2. Did he contribute in any way to the advancement of Kodiak bear research?

No. Unless the real experts were using him as their research specimen. To see how long the bears would put up with him.

3. Did he protect the bears from poachers?

No. The bears were not in direct threat from any poachers.

4. Should he have been allowed to go into schools and teach children?

No. Thats just my opinion. His method of teaching could do much more harm than good. Why you ask? Well, most children learn better by example than the do as I say not as I do approach.

5. Was he mentally competent to make a decision about staying in the wild with deadly predator's?

No.

One thing I have learned from this is that wealthy people looking for tax breaks will give money to any fool who looks good on film and have no desire to find out if that said fool is doing any good with their money.

Oh! I keep forgetting to complement the no name and other about some of their descriptive writings. You are very good I can see the things you describe in my minds eye perfectly. Keep up the good work. Especially the QEFTBG one. I can just see a big brown all fixed up waiting for Tim.

This post is for the people who keep crying about being disrespectful to the dead.
First let me tell you I have all the respect for the dead who deserve it. OKAY.
I had no respect for Timmy Dexter before he died. Yes I had seen him before and thought he was going to end up being a snack for a really big bear.
It takes more than just dieing to give a person respect. Plus I don't like hypocrisy. I'm not going to become teary eyed and over come with false emotion just because someone I thought was a fool before he died has now ended up in a bear belly.
Come on this fool couldn't even end up the way he wanted they cut him out before he passed all the way.
In other words you have to earn respect. It is not given just for dieing.

You might be a king or a little street sweeper but sooner or later you dance with the reaper.

Why Thank You for the Complement RCS. I am happy a few people out there like my posts. Stay tuned there will be more episodes of Queer Eye For The Bear to come :)

Here's another idea, BEAR EYE FOR THE QUEER GUY.
Staring Tim Treadwell as the bear.

A New Series based on the show Queer Eye For The Bear Guy comes Bear Eye For The Queer Guy.

The series takes a look a human in nature threw the eyes of the bears. Staring the Fury 5

Bear 1: Here we are on our first show in the Alaskan wilderness. As you can see we found our first human wondering threw the woods. OMG what is he wearing. Blue sweatshirt with a camo bandana. Geeezzz!! Bear 2: Who gave this fool his fashion tips. Bear 3: Oh look he is sitting there filming us talking to us like we little human kids. Oh this is to much this dude doesnt have a clue.. Bear 4: Hey watch this I am going to go over by the rocks and releave myself lets see what he does. Bear 5: Oh man I cant believe it he is filming you dude. Bear 4: OO now lets see what he does when I walk away from the rocks. Bears 1-5: EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! Bear 5: I cant believe it he is playing with the dung. Bear 2:See I told ya humans will play with anything. Bear 1: Ok lets get out of here his screechy little voice is driving me nuts. Bear 3: Tune in next time when we walk a bit closer to the human subject to see if he has a joygasum!!!

Given the information ProT posted apparently those "precautionary" measures taken by the Canadian Government or the poaching hotline for the Alberta Conservation Association prove there is poaching in Katmai Park and Preserve. I can only wonder how?

Oh good greif. Poaching happends everywhere there is wild game to hunt doesnt matter what state or even country. Bears, Moose, Elk poached in the USA Pacific NorthWest, Canada, and Alaska. Whitetail and Mule Deer, Antalope, Elk poached From Southern California threw the Mid West and the South. Fish are even poached in the ocean and in fresh water in states that dont have fishing 365 days a year. Africa Poaching of Elephant, Lions and so on. IS poaching a problem yes it is. Is it going to go away probley not. Are Government agencies trying to limit the amount of poaching yes. Yes its a good thing people are trying to end poaching. But sitting here arguing over if there is or is not poaching in areas is just pointless.

VERY GOOD!!! The post about the poacher above is just that about Canada not Katmai. There is a post on another thread that tells you this .

The point is - why aren't the State troopers talking? Frankly something more sinister could have taken place that day - for example - everyone thought Tim had left for the year - perfect if you are a poacher and you want some space from Tim. No one was expecting him to come back (like an idiot at that time of year) just because his ego was bruised by the Alaska Airlines guy. In fact, somewhere on one of these sites a supposed poacher posted that many people wanted Tim dead. Poachers that is. Even delusional Timmy knew that.

The real question is, who was inside the bears? If anyone. "They" pulled some flesh (I think about 40 pounds) from the bears but was it ever DNA tested? "They" had to leave soon after the bears had been shot and killed as the light was failing - "they" never had time to open up the bears that afternoon. When "they" came back the dead bears that supposedly contained T and A had also been munched on by other bears (!) ....and on and on it goes.

I know T and A's heads were "allegedly" found and T's arms and A's hand - but only according to the few people that have been quoted in various articles and the creepy coroner. Even the pilot that flew Tim and Amie in and out was a little off his rocker.

I think Tim was murdered/killed/surprised attacked (maybe not even by a bear?)and then left for bear chow. I think the tape is a fake and I think Tim is a fake. Amy? Maybe she's the smart one after all - out there and alive......hope so. Did her funeral ever take place? I couldn't find it anywhere. Trying to disappear in this day and age is hard - this would be the perfect way to do it though........It seems the two of them were just crazy enough...or maybe Tim didn't want Amie to leave him. Apparently she was planning to once they got back to Malibu. Could have been one way to stop that happening.

One thing I know for certain, this is not an open and shut case - something other than a straight forward bear mauling took place that day.

Does anyone know the Alaska Airline's guy that sent Tim scuttling back to Kodiak? What did he say to him that tipped him over the edge? Come out, come out where ever you are..........

Jewel what do you have to say about any of this? I know you read these sites 'cos you used to post on them and curiosity will get the better of you eventually...........what do you say? And, do you still have T's supposed watch? Hmmmm, you're very quite m'dear.

Okay, Sharpesttoth I get what you are saying, they could have been killed before the bears got them. Then every body just says ,well we told him he was going to get killed by the bears, they don't think any thing other than that happened up there that day during a rain storm the wind blowing like crazy. And there is very little evidence of a crime. The bears took care of that and any thing else that happened by that day and could get close enough to grab a bite.
So now we have to ask why would any one want to kill them. Because I don't think a poacher did it unless the reports I've seen arent true. So that leaves some one Tim angered so much they wanted to see him dead. Also they may not have done anything other than spray the ground with pepper spray. If what I read about that is true. It's said to act as a attractant if sprayed on the ground. Think about that if they knew just where he camped and they knew he was coming back they could have just went out there and sprayed that all over every thing. I have heard it said that the bears know a gun shot could mean fresh kill. I just watched a show on N.G. channel about that very thing. So it could have happened that way. Somebody may be picked up a gun while they were in town. It could be murder suicide. Tim knew she was leaving when they went back. I mean it was clear to see he had problems so why not. As long as he didn't use a head shot that would work.

sharpesttooth you make some very good and valid points. And I do have a theory on this. Everyone knew poachers and others were out for Tim no secret there. The Alaskan Fish and Wildlife dept. as well as the state police checked on him on occasion. Keeping that in mind Now this theory is thin but lets say a someone reported a camp being attacked by bears.Police and wildlife works check it out and discover 2 people were killed by bears. Now the police decide to use this as a cover to remove Tim ans Aim from public site and claim they were the two that was killed. They relocate Tim and Aim to an area where they can still be intouch with wildlife but as for as poachers and others new they were dead. Would the police and others lie to make there cover story work? Sure why not?

As stated on here quite a few times there is no dna proof given that the parts found were actually Tim's and Aim's. The audio tape or at least the 2 minute section of it that a link was posted on for it sounds to fake. The bear noises sound more like a person making bear noises . The wind sounds more like someone blowing on a microphone from a short distance away. For a person being attacked by a bear Tims voice starts off fairly soft but then grows louder towards the end. Not a very likely thing to happen to a man who would have had to lost a large amount of blood and should have been suffering from shock. Plus on the discovery channel program the friends of tim ans aim really didnt seem all that shoock up. It looked to me like they were trying very hard to bring a tear to there eyes. As I said my theory is thin but if you think about it does make sense

One more thing Once you get all the information on something, Once you weed out all the things that are probable what ever is left no matter how inprobable must be the truth.

Bear poaching is a huge problem in Russia, but not in Katmai. The degree of the problem varies from place to place, but this discussion is about Treadwell and Katmai, not about Russia and certainly not about Canada which was the point.

If the light bulb that just went off in my head is right I see two distinct possibilities.

1. Someone flies down and surprises them kills them both and leaves. Okay there would be records some where unless they fly their own plane.

2. He kills her, but not himself. But who is the other body? Then runs off to hide.

Has any one thought about sending emails to the big news networks to see if they might be interested in this story. If enough us write in they might look into it. It is a mystery and they like these kinds of stories. They also have a lot more clout than we on these threads do. They could get answers from people we have no access to.

That sounds like a good idea RCS. Any ideas on how to get the major networks email address so we could do a email compain. Because if thow my posts are ment to be humors I do read what the people are posting and I do take peoples theory and opinions seriously. There is some missing info out there and it would be nice to have it. I dont mean we need to see the goury pictures but the resaults of a dna test on the remains would be nice. If there was other evidence the police were looking at that they didnt release to the press and so on.

You guys might want to do a little reading. Timothy is dead, get off that rediculous crap spinning 'round in your heads.

Ahem...ridiculous...heh

Not really if you read the posts you will see quite a few people have done research and granted some believe his death was a hoax but some do believe he is dead but think there is more to his death then just a bear attack. Some discussions have been about poaching.And some have been discussions on what people think about Tim himself. Anyways people are intitled to there opinions and theories. Just like you made yours they will make theres. If you dont want to read about what they think dont. The choice is yours.

Go to their home pages they should all have email address on there. If you find them before I do post them. Thanks!!!!!

Well I was referring to the people who think he is hiding out in the woods somewhere. NOT to the possibilty of poachers getting at him. Although since Timothy usually left by the end of October, like he did indeed do. I am sure they would have done it BEFORE his initial departure. I mean if people think that they sat around and thought about how to get rid of him, I would think they would least TRY and do it when he initially was supposed to leave. How would they know he went back and then got all their crap together to knock him off in a week. Giving them A LOT of credit there, dont you think? I knew you were going to say the "opinion and theory" deal. I realize that, but c'mon! Tim hiding?

Here is a link to ABC News where you can send in ideas http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=158076&gma=true

Here is NBC Datelines email addy Dateline@NBC.com

Here is MSNBC's email addy viewerservices@msnbc.com

Here is a link for CBS where you can send in comments and ideas http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml

I went to CNN home page and went to Anderson Cooper and left one there.

Thanks for the big three I had forgotten about them.

If people want to think Tim is hiding out in the woods they will believe it. As for poachers taking him out well you could say they would do it before they Tim left for the year. But at the same time that could throw alot of suspicion there way so why not lay low tell he leaves and go about there poaching but he didnt leave that one time and the poachers and Tim bumped heads. Who knows could it have happend sure. Could the poachers have planned it the way you said but a bear really did take him out sure. Sense no one was there at the time that we know of who knows for sure. There is missing info to the whole thing and it would be nice to see all the facts. But I am not going to put down people for believing what they think. If they want to go way out on a limb so be it. Who is going to hurt

No problem RCS. Those were the first 3 I thought of I didnt even think about CNN tell I read your post.

If you think it is a mistake then we should all stop now. I don't want to be sued by any body and I don't want any one else to get sued either so lets think about this for a little longer.

I wasn't doing it to see the photos or hear the tape. I just wanted to see the proof of who was inside the bear. The DNA and maybe a police report.

You're right about nobody ever really knowing the how or why for that matter. But the DNA thing shouldn't be a secret, right.

RCS I wouldnt worry about anyone getting sued. The show Grizzle Man did leave alot of answered questions as you can see by this board alone. I would not be shocked if there was other boards out there having close to the same conversations on it. Wanting proof of something is just human nature. From previouse post on this board there other bear attacks stories put up and had to be looked into and debunked. Thats all that you and others on the board are trying to do is debunk Timothy's story and get the truth. Sending emails to the major network news to see if you could not get them to investigate it more and try to get answers and some proof is not a bad things reports do it every day. How do you think they get alot of there story ideas. They get them from people reporting things to them and they check it out. I honestly see no harm in wanting to know more and to optain proof to what truly happend to Tim and Aim. So I see no reason why anyone should stop. As for DNA test being kept secret I see no reason why it should be. DNA test dont show in goury resaults it just shows dna patterns and gives a result of showing that a blood sample to be 99% positive to have come from a certain person. As for people stating there ideas and theories. Oh man thats been going on for ever. There are still people coming up with theories on the JFK shooting and what really happend in Roswel New Mexico back in 1940's or when ever the crash was to have happend. There is nothing wrong with that at all. As for noone really knowing thats true but with enough proof people can come close to knowing what accually happend. So do I think this is a mistake? No I dont. Do I think people are going to have different ideas and opinions? Yes I do. Some of them maybe just way out there but that just shows that the person who thought it up is will to except more possibilities. I sent off a few emails to the links given by QEFTBG atelling them about the Grizzle Man show and how there is unanswered questioned and that it might make a good news specail if they could get those questioned answered

I ment to say The show Grizzle Man did leave alot of unanswered questions

Thank you I feel a little better. Some time I let my actions get ahead of my brain. I thought this might be one of those times. I don't want to see anyone or any of the bears in Katmai hurt from this. That would be my biggest fear. Those animals need to be left to live like animals.

Today we got our work cut out for us. We found the den of a older brown bear and its no wonder he cant keep a girl. Geezzz who gave him decorating tips. Theres moss growing on things. There is fur every where. Does he not know what a broom is for. EEEWWW EEEWWW EEEWWW and there are things crawling on the floor. So we are going to lure him out with a big pile of fish and while he is occupied we are going to make over his den. Get rid of the moss and what ever that smell is. Sweep out all the fur and the little critters crawling around. We are also going to throw some paint on the walls I think we will go with a bright colors like some Yellows and Oranges to bright up the place and make the den a happy place.Once thats done we will make over the bear. Give him a bit of trim to even out his coat and add some highlites to his coat to make him more youthfull looking so he will have a better chance with the ladies

QEFTBG
LOL. You are trip. I don't know where you come up with this stuff but it is amusing I will give you that.

Its all good RCS. Your doing what your doing with good intenchions

I agree QEFTBG I think you should keep up your writting because you have a lot of talent and imagiation. It's all good.

Today on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy.

Bear1: Today a couple of the Fury 5 have gone down to the stream to act like there fishing to draw our human subject away from his camp so we can check it out. Bear2: Well the human subject is down at the stream filming the boys so we are poking around hsi camp. Bear1: What in the world is this. Bear5: Thats called a tent I believe. Its what they sleep in when there out here. Bear1: They sleep in this. Dude a strong wind could knock this over easy. And its so thin any animal could claw right threw it. Bear5: Well I never said humans were a smart species. Bear2: Hey guys check this out. The stuff in this container tasts like nuts but its soft. Bear1: Thats pretty good stuff. Lets take it with us. Bear2: OH GOOD GRIEF WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Bear5: Well he seemed to like playing with it some much the other day I thought I would leave him a fresh pile to play with. Bear1:HAHAHAHA your not right dude. Oh I hear someone coming lets get out of here.

Tune in next time when the fury 5 decide to mess with there hunabn subject on the stream bank

Thanks

Its nice that people enjoy my humor

QEFTBG - enough already - you were funny once but now its going on and on...........

LOL! B.E.F.T.Q.G., That's hilarious stuff! I like the bear den make-over bit! Keep em' coming!

I can say this. Jane Goodall spent years in the dense forests of Africa with wild gorilla's, (There was even a movie made about her life and work. "Gorilla's in the Mist").

Of course the apes didn't kill her, it was more of a political or poaching killing. Men killed her, not animals. The poiont is, she was highly trained in the science she embraced and she gave all of these huge animals very much SPACE.

Hello Tim?

She didn't coo at the little baby apes, she didn't try to smooch Magilla Gorilla, and she sure as hell never shoo'd any of them away aggressively.

It's like if I were to go into your house un-announced and pilfer around in your refrigerator and started scarfing down your food/drink, and then turned on your TV and sat on your favorite chair to use your telephone.

I am invading your space. Big time.

Jane realized this simple rule and understood intimately that she was on their turf. She gave the animals the respect they deserved and she never broke the rule.

Tim was dis-respectful to the nth degree and Amie, by extensin, did the same. The fact that she was anxious to leave that horrific place that Tim had placed her in, and the fact that she was going to leave that idiot, never to go back, tells us all that she had a little more sense than Tim did. Alas, it was too late for her and she payed the price. She had, however' accompanied him on trips there before, so she knew what she was getting into. She had a little more sense, but not much.

The moral of my post is this:

Highly trained scientists/naturalists know the boundry; the 'line in the sand' that they intelligently dare not cross. They learn from experience, which in turn elevates their learning and expertise.

These experienced people have long-distance photo equipement, and keep meticulous written/recorded records for scientific evaluation.

Some knuckleheaded buffoon wandering out in the middle of nowhere, with limited camera gear not allowing for long photo/video work and imperiling the user to dangerously close camera work, no written records and meticulous time-tables etc.is simply an accident waiting to happen. This will ultimately spell doom for him/her.

Looking at it from this perspective, therefore, allows us to come to the realization that the ONLY word that explains Tim's longevity in the field is a four letter one.

LUCK.

Plain and simple.

I posted a webpage (scroll WAY up)...LOL! by Readers Digest. This is an EXTREMELY reputable magazine that does EXHAUSTIVE research on all articles. They are world famous and only print pure fact.

I'm sorry to burst some of your bubbles' of conspiracy, disappearances, speculations on 'poacher killing' etc., But I beleive Readers Digest, The Alaskan Chronicle, and others just as reputable.

Tim and Amie are dead, eaten alive by bears, probably killed by one and feasted on by other bears and smaller predators.

Typically a bear will grab a human by the head. Much documentation exists to support this fact. Tim was yelling and supposedly Amie hit it on the head with a skillet several times. The bear leaves for a minute, circles around and attempts to drag his meal away. He clamps down on Tim's upper thigh, right below his buttocks. The coroner said this on the Discovery documentary.

SOMETIMES a person goes into trumatic shock. Sometimes they do not. This is also a scientific fact. All of us are not 'wired' the same.

Look at your clock sometime, and imagine that you are being attacked and EATEN alive for 6 minutes. SIX!

That, my friends, is a LONG goddamed time to die. He was aware of the fact, and did not go into shock.

If I had one hope it would be this.

SOMEONE in wildlife AUTHORITY needs to TELL all the school kids he spewed his bullshit on about how bears are cute and docile and big teddybears, the fucking truth.

RESPECT animals, especially wild ones, and don't even THINK about getting close to baby animals because Mom or Dad are not far off.

And for GODSSAKE, if people want to pursue this form of work, GET EXTREMELY WELL EDUCATED!

I still am amazed that Tim lasted as long as he did!

What a Bozo!

I maybe wrong but wasn't that Diane Fossey?

"Freedoms just another word for nothin' left to lose"

"Might as well go big or stay home."

"Better to burn out than to Fade away"

"One shot, that's what it's all about, One Shot!"

Some of us prefer to stay home and fade away.
Some of us prefer not to.

Tim prefered not to.

Many greats had major mental handicaps, though in the long run it was those very handicaps that discovered, created and encouraged others.

I can't say that I respect those who play Russian Roulette with nature and the lives of others, but we all do it everyday in everyway. We just don't wish to acknowledge it.

Whether it's second hand smoke from your pipes, drano in your pipes, or monoxide from your tail pipes.

Tim didn't wish to acknowledge his cause/effect either. He just prefered to make his scat elsewhere. We could all run around with camera's within our own lives and make documentaries.

And maybe we should, than looking back could see the irony of our own lives as being as so many have already stated here.

They're bears, they do bear things, leave then alone.

Could we not say the same for ourselves.

They're humans, they do human things, leave them alone.

In the end, we're all scat. So get over yourselves, Tim eventually had no choice in that matter, he got over himself. And it was nothing that he thought it would be. From I love the bears, I'd die to the bears to, hand me a frying pan. Just goes to show you, be careful of what you want, it may find you.

Life has but one lesson, humility. Then we do the right thing, usually too late though.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html

The couple's tent was flattened as if a bear sat or stepped on it, but it had not been ripped open, even though food was inside. The condition of the tent led most knowledgeable observers to conclude the attack probably took place during the daylight hours when Treadwell and Huguenard were outside the tent, instead of at night when they would have been inside. Most of their food was found in bear-proof containers near the camp.

Authorities do not know if it was the bear that killed Treadwell and Huguenard. They were to fly to the site on Tuesday to search the animal's stomach for human remains but were prevented from doing so by bad weather.

If this is the case, than the film is lying about the facts. Also if the shoes were tidely outside of the tent as told in the film by the weird coronor, how could that be if the bear had flatened or possilby ransacked the tent. There was food found in the tent.

Is the BearWitch at play here?

There was a woman I knew the same age as Treadwell. Somebody gave her a rabbit. It was a 6 month old male rabbit. She couldn't stand for the rabbit to be in a cage. To her no animal belonged in a cage. She gave the rabbit a bedroom in her new house. The rabbit did what rabbits do. He chewed up every piece of wood he could get his teeth on .Then went under the bed and tried to dig a hole . He did over a $1000.00 worth of damage to her house. She said it was the rabbits fault because he did not appreciate what she had done for him. She was unable to understand that the rabbit or any other animal can't think or reason like a human.
That is the way I think Treadwell saw the bears. He had no idea that the bears brain and a human brain are different. The bears didn't want to be famous they only wanted to be bears.
Treadwell wanted fame more than any thing in the world. He was willing to do any thing to achieve this. His friends called him their rock star, their cowboy. What they should have called was a Doctor. To help him understand his illness.
If he had had cancer they would not have sent him to the wilds of Alaska to get over it.!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah...see...you are talking about Dian Fossey. Jane Goodall works with chimps and is alive and well. She also names her animals "cute" names, regardless of what language it is in. Jane most certainly did too, talk to her subjects. It doesn't matter what the heck you are writing in your journal. Whether it is scientific or laymen terms, you are still there effecting the animal. Yeah, animals can't read. They just know you are in their space. Both Dian and Jane got/get very close to their subjects.
About Tim and his educational presentations. You don't know what you are talking about. Tim stressed many a time how dangerous bears were to the children. He taught them how to behave in bear country, how to "read" a bear and of course the scientific facts on bears. He also stated the best way to view a bear is through a long range scope.
Bears don't care how much education you have. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, education means nothing. This was an isolated incident. Tim accepted the fact that one day, he may indeed, make a mistake. There were many factors in place that could have caused the attack.
On a lighter note: So, you are telling me that if a loved one of yours had cancer, then said to you, "I want to live the rest of my life in Hallo Bay with the grizzlies," you would say, "no," mighty fine of you.

I stand corrected. It was Diane Fossey. My point being that she was well interned in her field to understand and respect the Gorilla's space. Whether she poke to them either directly to them or into the camera is a moot point. I've not seen the film Gorilla's in the mist, just a Dcocu, and it was a while ago.
She was killed by men. That is the overiding factor.

As far as what Tim told the kids is a moot point in the respect that you teach by example. Some example he showed them! I don't know what he told the kids, the Docu didn't really show that, and I'm going strictly by what I saw.

If I teach my children that speeding is dangerous and then I speed down the freeway with them, what does that tell them?

You are correct, PTSL, he should have taken his own advice. Use long range camera equipement.

On a lighter note: If i had a loved one who had TERMINAL cancer and wanted to live among the bears, I'd fly that person out there myself with the best equipement, big guns and PLENTY of ammo.

And of course, long range camera equipement, an electric fence, and a foghorn to "Shoo' the playful little critters away. LOL1

"Have fun Kiddo!" I would say. "Shoot a nice fat one and have B.E.F.T.Q.G. skin it for his den make-over!"

EVERY bachelor bear shoul have a nice bear rug to stretch out on in fron of the den fireplace with his lady.

I do.

Here is a web site that will show you what real bear research is all about.
http://www.bearstudy.org/
Wild Life Research Institute.

Here is another one its not about bear research.This one is just another site like this one but there is one comment that tells about accountability. Read comment 177 by Linda.
http://maisonbissin.com/blog/post/10725/#comment-32706

Nevermind Grand, we are not of the same earth. I am to assume that your kids don't watch TV, don't have any "sport figure" idols and are inside the house everyday. Okay well then, they should stay well preserved in your caccoon. Black and white, life is not. It's Dian. She did not respect the Gorillas space. She sat right there among them within feet and sometimes inches. About the last part. Whatever, big guy. Not my thing.

If above link fails use this one.
http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10740
on the side go to Grizzly man(178) comment 177 by Linda

The point is she wasn't killed by the gorillas she was killed by real poachers. The poachers in Africa are real okay they weren't made up by somebody trying to profit from protecting bears that needed no protection.
PTSL do you have a problem understanding, or do you enjoy being narrow minded and uninformed.
Where's BEFTQG or QEFTBG. We need you.

PTSL, how do you know I'm a guy? A bit presumtuous I would say.

My kids are grown and have their own families, but we camped out many many times in Yellowsone Nat. Park and Yosemite. In a trailer.

Still, I kept my Weatherby .460 handy AND I slept with my .44 Mag heavy revolver under my pillow.

Oh, the parks have 'bearproof' metal containers....(think of a mini steel garbage dumpster)...with bear-proof locks that we locked our food in, but many's the night that I heard bear grunts as they sniffed the container in the dead of night.

They might not be able to get in the container, but with their acute sense of smell, they could smell the food inside.

Not scary, because I had my 'Bear Insurance policy' well in hand...(see .460 Weatherby and .44 cal mag heavy revolver)...so to answer your question PTSL, NO, My kids have never been isolated from 'Woods Knowledge 101...OK?

Certainly an emphatic no at that....lol!

My kids have never been 'cocooned', have been hunting and fishing with me many amny times, we've seen many deer, elk, bear etc. together and I, as a RESPONSIBLE parent and woodsman, have always told taught them this respect.

When you are in the wild, you are in 'Animal Kingdom", that is, you are smack-dab in the middle of their collective 'house' as it were.

RESPECT that habitat. NEVER leave a campsite 'dirty'....food lying around, greasy dishes (bears LOVE grease), and ALWAYS clean up the site to as much of a pristine condition in the woods as you found it.

No, PTSL, my kids have always shared the great outdoors with me, and they know to RESPECT animals.

Whan my son and daughter accompanied me on a recent elk hunt in Colorado, my daughter shot a fine 6 pt. bull elk. My grandfather always taught me to shoot to EAT. Not trophy hunt.

I and my family have ALWAYS enjoyed prime deer, elk, and yes PTSL, Bear meat.

Bear meat is EXTREMELY delicious. You must, howeveer, cook bear steaks OVER the fire and let the grease drip out into it. Very fatty meat, but properly prepared, it is some of the best eating. Ditto with Elk. They are both very 'RED' meats. They must be cooked through.

Venison, on the other hand, require a modicum of prep. Venison MUST NOT BE OVERCOOKED! Otherwise it becomes (as the old 19th century fur trappers called)...Shoe leather. Tough and damn neigh indigestible.

My favorite part of the deer is the 'backstrap'. This is the area on both sides of the backbone, close-knit, comprised of two long strips of very tender and succulent meat, extending from the neck to the hind-quarters. In, say, a 150 lb. 'dressed' deer.....'dressed meaning no head, hooves, intestines and organs, tail and anus, and genitals), one might expect to harvest 65 to 70 percent meat. Good freezer fare indeed!

Excellent jerkey can be made from the remainder AFTER the rump roasts, leg stew meat, etc. has been harvested. Ground venison in conjunction with hambuger meat mixed in makes for a nice 'meatloaf' too!

Look, PTSL, Facts are facts and here's one for your book.

Fish and Game officials all around the world agree on one rule, among many others, but pertinent to this discussion. Animal harvesting (limited game tags for legal hunts) HELPS the environment, and the (whichever) species 'culled' as a whole.

Of course human infringement on animal habitat is a BIG factor. Not even the most ardent hunter wants an extinct species. If you wish to blame anyonme on the skrinking game environment, blame the real-estate developers.

Fish and Game officials, , hunters, activists, environmentalists, scientists, researchers et al are seeking the same goal. We are ALL on the same page. Wild life officials in particular work EXTREMELY long hours on a decidedly and exeptionally glorious cause. To give our wonderous animals of this Earth the respect, dignity, and over-all entitlement of existence and space that they....and we.....deserve.

THAT's why we have protected wetlands and national forests.

If I could hope for one thing it would be this: That all 'opposing'factions and 'fence sitters' would UNITE and form a coalition of sorts. A bit loosely-based perhaps, but a cohesion of thought and unity to preserve our wonderful wildlife. No matter the stance.

Myself? I'm content to watch in amazement at the mehanizations of creatures of the deepest parts of our oceans, fowl of the air and land,(penguins in particular; have any of you seen the "March of the Penguins" in theatres yet?) I was absolutely RIVITED to the screen. How the male bird actually balances the egg on his furry feet, and alter the adolescent baby, to let his life-long female mate walk to the ocean, sometimes hundreds of miles, to brave leaopard seal predators and make a prolonged 'dash' for the open sea to feed, and then return to releive Pappa so he can do the same?), and wild land-beasts of the world.

(Go see 'March of the Penguins" if you can. The photography is wonderful, and the sense of community with the birds is mind-blowing.

But back on topic.....

In a nutshell? Tim and Amie took a long walk off a short pier.

A most horrible way for them to die, but officials warned Tim, and by extension Amie, that this was a ludicrous and ill-fated attempt at psedo-scientific research and doomed to tradegy.

Tim was no more a scientist/researcher than my dog.

End of story.

Correction. The comon term is Woodsman, but I am actually a Woodsperson. LOL! :^)

There's no better eating than backstrap from a dear. Didn't know any one but us hicks called it that. You can also make some nice sausage from the ground stuff. You have to add some pork,or maybe bear would be good. Never had the privilege of tasting bear.

Wildlife preservation is something I could get behind. I don't like to fence set. What can I do?

Today on Queer Eye For The Bear Guy we have a wonderfull show. Today We came across some Strappen boy bears sitting along the stream bank and some Beautifull young lady bears on the side across from. Seem to us both sides are a little bit shy to approach each other so we decided to go up stream alittle bit and set up a little stream side BarBQ. We go the tourches set up and the beach balls blown up and the punch bowls are out and the fish is cooking on the make shift grill. Oh look the boys are coming.. OH OH OH and here are the girls. AAAAWWWWWWWWWW look everyone is getting along so well. Isnt it so cccccuuuuuuutttttttteeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Be sure to tune in next time to see what the Fab 5 do next.

Tim and Amie took a long walk off a short pier.

Is that the same thing as being 2 taco short of a combo plate?

Just wondering

Well after making one of my normal post ;) I read up aways and well I see alot of stuff that has gone on. Whew its been busy here LOL. Dian Fossey and Jane Goodall both noted and world renown scientist. Granted if you read up on Fossey she did enteract with the apes and even would sit close to them and mimick them. And they both even named there subjects. Is that a good thing maybe yes maybe no. Keep in mind both the ape and chimp are our closet cousins and even thow they might not think the way we do they come close. The ability to create tools and use them. Hence taking a stick and sending down a termite mound and pulling it out with the termites on it so they could eat them. Can both hurt a human. Yes an adult chimp is 5x stranger then a adult human and for apes well theres no dought a ape could take a human adult. But are either species preditors by definition? No. Bears on the other hand are preditors granted they will eat berries and such but there main food is meat. Tims lack of education aside. Even he should have know there is a difference between studing preditors and nonpreditors. And when he was speaking to kids and if he did tell them the best way to study bears was from a distance he should have fallowed his own advice. Tim was a glory seeker. Nothing more. Ok well a dumbass glory seeker.

On a side note Discovery will be reshowing the grizzle man next sunday and monday nights.

Now for our outdoors people. Venison is good stuff and easy to get depending on where you live. Elk is alot better meat and so in Antalope. Both are less gamie and you more tender of meat. Bear is also very good. Desert sheep dont recommend it inless you got a case of hot sauce. Moose is a great meat also but kind of like bear it is greasy. Mount Lion is also some good stuff specailly if grilled with some South West spices on it.

Well, I'll stick with the Lynn Rogers and Charlie Parkers of the world. Hey, we all have our opinions and our way of life. As for your bear lecture, I know about bears so it is not a necessary lecture, thanks anyway though. Signal Cartridges (bear bangers and flares) can be an effective way to deter bears, without resorting to lethal means. Signal Cartridges can be fired from signal launchers or pistols. Each system requires use of compatable cartridges. Both systems are highly effective, the system you choose will be more of a personal choice. Signal Launchers are easier to carry in a backpack. Bear spray, fog or Turbo Sirens and electric fences are both safe and effective for bear and human.

There are REAL poachers (never really heard of a fake one) in Alaska. Though it may only account for about 1% (reported), it is poaching none the less.
As for eating the wild, if you are poor, then yes, by all means, because I know they shoot to sustain a living. If you are not, please consider all the meat on your store shelves wasted. I am not a vegetarian, BTW.
There are a whole bunch of people out there doing exactly what Tim was doing. His perogative, he is allowed to live and die as he pleases.
As for the Gorillas and chimps. Have you ever seen a picture of a person mauled by either animal? It happens. It's nasty and yeah it hurts. It wasn't about animals and their predation, it was about people effecting animals, no matter the study.
About Tim and his walk and the short pier? Yes, and it was a lovely walk, well worth the end to the pier.
About the arrogance of my statement...sorry, big gal.

I retract: it's Charlie Russell, although I do love Charlie Parker. LOL!

Today on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy.......

Bear 3: On Todays show we are all going to go down to the stream and make a ruckus and see how long it takes for our subject to come down and watch us. Bear 3: Y'all ready. Ok lets start making some NOISE!!!! Bear1-5: Growling and splashing water.........10 minutes later.. Bear3: hey guys..guys..guys..Look here he comes.. Bear 2: What is he doing. He set up a camera facing up the bath then ran back up the path. Bear 4: Maybe he doesn't know wich way to point that thing. Bear 1: Wait wait here he comes. OH Look he wanted to make a enterance for the camera. Geezzzz what a ham..Bear 3: Did someone same ham.. Bear 4: Not that kind of ham, Geezzz.. Bear 5: Whats he doing now? He is just sitting there. What no talky talk today? Bear 2: Maybe he thinks if he sits still we cant see him? Bear 1: Ok lets play along.. Ok I will catch a salmon for the first one to taking a running jump into the stream towards him and splash him with water. Bear 5: Runs and jumps into the stream and makes a huge wave..Bear 3: That got him HAHAHA!!! Bear 1: Dude what are you doing.. Bear 5: climbs out of the stream about 5 feet away and shakes his fur dry. Bear 1-4: HAHAHAHAHAHA Bear 2: DUDE stopped man thats to much..Bear 4: Guys he is still sitting there trying not to move. What a dork. Bear 5: Jumps back into the stream making another huge wave. Bear 1: OH MAN!!! Thats twice and he still hasn't moved.. Geezzz doesnt this guy have a clue. Bear 5: HAHAHA I cant believe he is still just sitting there.. Bear 3: Whats that smell. Bear 1: EEEWWWW what human. Bear 2: Oh now he gets up and tries to dry him self off.. Dude that towel and going to help ya. Your going to need to go change..Bear 3-5: What a dork. Bear 1: OK guys lets go before he starts talking into the camera and trying to explain why he thinks we were doing what we were doing in that screechy voice of his..

QEFTBQ You've been busy I see. Love the new post.
Gator tail is pretty good to. You cut it up in small pieces and fry it. We call it gator mcnuggets. Oh, and I buy my meat. No poaching for me.
As to the poaching in Alaska it's there. But they don't have much of a problem of it in the Katmai that I can find out about. But it is a huge place and I don't doubt for a second that if someone wanted to poach bears and thought they could get away with it they would be there.
Thats just the way of poachers. Not just in Alaska every where.
Mountain Lion, QEFTBG. I would have never thought of trying that.

Gator tail is good fried and grilled both. Also cut it into cubes brown it like you would ckicken and add it to gumbo. Something I do is cut it into strips like chicken fingers bread it and fry it then once its done coat it in hotwing sauce.

I've had it every way but the hot wing have to try that.
PTSL, You stick up for what you believe in and for your friend that's always a good thing.
TT loved that place and I like to see him there dressed in black looking back at the camera with that grin he had and he's happy, happier than he ever was in life. He's there to watch over the bears he loved. Or perhaps he's been reborn a spring cub and he's now living the life of a brown bear the thing he wanted most of all.

Even if I didn't agree with him I think he deserves to be remember like that. He was doing some thing he believed in.

TO GRAND SLAM :
first of all nice gun, I know where you come from I'm a big game hunter myself, I like the classic 300 Weatherby Mark v, but for now I'm very happy with my Ruger M77 7mm Rem Mag. "GRAND SLAM" for Speer right? I can sense you reload your own,just like me, good man!Just be carefull with that gun under the pillow scary shit! and I be honest with you I ate venison, elk, wild pig, but BEAR!! "YUCK" not me!I rather eat celery LOL.
I even had bull frogs french style very good tasting,but the best part of it is when they jump on the skillet LOL.

Back to the topic, I think no one is reponsible for two adults actions, they knew the danger, they were warned, and the pilot is not reponsible
for anything, he was doing his job as a flight taxi service and that's it.If anyone takes a taxi to a bridge and you get out and jump, is the cab driver's fault ? I don't think so!Some people need to learn that wild animals are wild, not tedy bears,they don't care for sweet
voices?songs or bedtime stories.
They only know how to kill, eat, sleep, sex and back to eating again!They don't want us around, only if you stay for dinner.LOL

PS: where's the real audio tape ?
Ilike the one someone posted here before,
but is too much hollywood action (fake)
but very good quality for an Oscar.LOL

To : qeftbg/betqg
After reading your post,I went to my local supermarket and asked the butcher for some mountain lion prime ribs,mmmmhhhhhh oh boy can't wait,!but he said sorry we're out of stock right now, but he told me to try the fresh alligator cath of the day,but I pass the alligator is a bid too wild for my ulcer! LOL,LOL,LOL.
Good post qeftbg/betqg very funny shit!

Where's the real audio tape? The one someone posted here before is (fake)but a very good hollywood performance winner of an Oscar, good details and quality recording LOL, Now lets hear the original where is it????

Talk about greasy Armadillo. I had it fixed as a stew. Not at all to my liking. Try soft shell turtle if you ever get the chance. That is without a doubt some of the best meat you can ever eat.

As to the tape the last I heard was Jewel has it. So don't expect to listen for free.

PTSL. You keep your signal flares, foghorns and your most ineffectual pepper spray, and I'll keep my .460, .300, and .44 mag.

Greetings Ursus!

Damn good choice!

I had a Ruger 7mm mag. heavy barrel rifle for a long long while. I gave it to my daughter, and she 'pulled' down the 6 pt. elk I mentioned earlier, with it. Damn fine sootin' iron!

A very good 'flat shooter', like a .270, but with much more kinetic knock-down power. Great rifle! I had a Simmons scope on mine.

I used Nosler boat-tail bullets 170 gr. with 3350 IMR powder, 163 grains, C.C. Primers and Win cases, cut and sized.

3350 feet per second muzzle velocity, 1/2" group @ 150 yds sighted 3.5 inches high for 400+ yard down-canyon/quatering shooting and flat-to-elevated shooting with regard to bullet weight and velocity.

If I am shooting at game that is elevated, I aim a bit higher to allow for the gravitational pull on the lead.

AN EXTREMEELY IMPORTANT POINT FOR ALL NEW HUNTERS:

ALWAYS sight your rifle in at an accredited gun range well before season. 5 shots out of a 'cold' barrel, and try to strive for a half-inch group.
There is nothing worse than gettting out in the field to be greeted with some idiot shooting cans or (JEEEZ!) rocks to 'sight in' out in the wild.

Pathetic and very very dangerous. Bullets don't break boulders, they richochet.....and only God knows where. Horrible practice and well woth being fined for, big time, in my opinion!

I always place my 12" targets at 150 yds, I want my bullets to be 3.5 inches ABOVE the bullseye, and hopefully dead center! LOL!

I'm not a particular fan of frag bullets. I've had really good results with Nosler.

RCS! Excellent point, Jewel's just sittin' on it for the highest bidder. I agree, and it's very shameful that she just doesn't destroy it like she was told. I've eaten big bullfrog legs and soft-shell turtle. Great fare indeed. It was nothing to 'gig' some big bullfrogs and skin the legs, put them in a big container, sprionkle them with salt, and watch 'em wiggle. Breaded and fried? UUUmmmmmmm! yum! Gator is good too. Armadillo or cougar/mountain lion? Never had it, but it sounds like it might be tasty. Antelope is excellent too.

Most game, if shot correctly to facilitate an instant death....heart/lung shot, just behing the front shoulder, will ensure that the meat is not 'gamey".

The only way that these meats taste 'gamey' is that when an animal is not killed immediately, it runs. When it runs, adrenaline gets into all the body. Adrenaline makes the meat taste 'gamey'.

I can't tell you how many shots I DID NOT take for two reasons.

#1 Close range: To 'gut shoot' and amimal with a poorly placed shot will ONLY result in a prolonged agony for the creature, and will necesitate a long drawn-out chase by the hunter. An ethical hunter. No true huinter wants to see an animal suffer needlessly. Hence, the work to properly 'sight in' a rifle.

#2 Long range. A great temptation and that's where a good 'spotting scope' and rangefinder comes in handy! Know the capabilities of your selected firearm and yourself. If you've been hunting in the cold (shivering etc.) or have been running. Stop, make sure of the target and calm your body.

Hunting is as ancient as man and I always give my personal respect to the crature I am about to eat by blessing it to the 4 winds. On the spot, and BEFORE I disembowl it for dressing. Just me.

To Jewel:

"JEWEL, dear. Please burn the goddamned tape like you were told by Herzog.

Scatter the tape ashes where you scattered Tims. (Why didn't you take his ashes where he wanted them....afraid of the bears?

I wouldn't give a goddamned 'plugged" nickel to your pathetic whiny wanna-be Grizzlywhateverthefuck organization you have going under the guise of a "Timmmy feel-goody memorial".

You wanna' prove to the world that you are sincere in your remorse for Tim and Amie? Do what Herzog said years ago. BURN THE FUCKIN' TAPE!

Any money you can make off of the sale will be 'dirty money', yes....BLOOD MONEY. Come clean and just get rid of it.

B.E.F.T.Q.G., GREAT stuff man! I love your EEWWWW! expresions. Are you going to come over and clean my computer keyboard? I spewed a half-mouthful of coffee on it when I read your last posts!

Funny, funny shit!

Keep 'em rollin'in!

Correction. Close range at an OBSTRUCTED taget. The temptation is great to 'just shoot' at some antlers or exposed hindquarters.

Wait, bide your time uuntil you get a clear shot RIGHT BEHING THE FORELEGS, MID-BODY.

Other than that? Just don't shoot. Better to let game slip away unscathed, rather than wounding it carelessly.

One more point. Carry good binoculars always, and make sure your scope is at least 9X.

Good points made about taking your time and making your shot count. I'd rather go home and eat a can of beans than have gamey tasting meat. Don't believe in running mine or baiting for that matter. Like you I honor the animal for giving up his life so mine can go on. Best venison I've ever tasted comes from south Florida, key deer. There is hardly a bad way to fix it but they are small. Speaking of jumping around in the pan, fresh gator tries to get away from the knife as you cut it up. Wild stuff wiggles a little in the pan to.

I'd be a lot more interested in hearing a real tape of Jewels last conversation that day with TT than any other that might have come after.

TT was a glory seeker willing to exploit what ever to get what he wanted. The sad thing is he was exploited and it's still being done.

Thanks for the complaments. I do aprecaite them.
As for wild game that I have had well lets just put it this way. If it runs, flies, swims, or any combination of those I have more then likely had it. As for guns I have a few. The 4 I use most Ruger Vaquero 45 long colt with 4 1/2in barrel. Anything with in 100 yards is toast. A Texas Ranger 22 single action pistol with a 4 1/2 pistol with 1 cylender made for 22 short, long, and long rifle, the other cylender made for 22 win. mag any small game with eye site is toast and I have take pheasant and quail with it as well. I have had the gun for 24 years. Ya know the saying practice makes perfect. Well after using it for 24 years I dont miss. Rifles 308 with a 28 inch bull barrel with a recest crown, adjustable triger and a 5.5x-25x Nikon scope. I hold a 1/4 inch 3 shot partern at 100 yards dead center on a 12 inch target. I hold a 1/2 inch 3 shot partern at 500 yards dead center with a slight scope adjustment. Same set up for my new 25 cal. winchester super short mag. And like GS If I cant kill it instantly with 1 shot I dont make the shot. Big game I have a 300 win. mag and a Freedom Arms single action 454 and just for fun stuff like blowing big ol holes in tree stumps and such my 45/70. Dont hunt with it but I do make alot of noise with it. I also use a 45 cal Blueridge model muzzle loader and 60 lb. draw long bow. Birds and such I use a good old mosberg shot gun. I had a gun smith make me a barrel that would take different choke tubes. But now a days I spen more time fishing then hunting. where I live hunting is just to easy. You want a deer walk about 100 yards behind my house to the river. Or go sit on my back yard neighbors back porch LOL.

Today on Queer Eye For The Bear Guy we are go way way way up north in Alaska to do a make over on a couple of Polar Bear that we have heard desperatly need it.....Man we have been snowmobiling around here for hours and havent see any bear. We have seen seals. A few deer looking animals but no bear. Now you would think a bear would stand out like a sore thumb in this white land scape. We will keep looking for a few hours more and see if we cant fine these pesky Polar Bears.....A few hours past. Well we have traveled around here now for a better part of a day and still havent seen and Polar Bears. The sweet native people in the town we went threw said the bears were out here but we still havent seen them. You would think a bear that can be 12 high or better would be easy to find. Specailly with all this snow around brown should stand out . OH well.. Welll today was a bust tune in next when we will be back in our regular stomping grounds....

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Alright now, we all know it's not the size or cost of the weapon. It's the person behind the trigger. Just remember Audie Murphy.

Today on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy

Bear1: Today we are laying around in a clearing just a few hundred feet from the stream Bear 2: Dues check this out. Bear1: Man you messed up my intro. What the Bear 2: Dude trust me this is worth it. Bear3: Ok this better be good or I am going to pound you for waking me up. Bear2: Its worth it its worth it. Bear5: OH man what is that dork doing. Bear4: Man he is 1/2 naked and standing in the stream talking that weird baby talk to that cub. Bear3: No he is talking that baby talk crap to that cub. OH this should be good. Bear1: Hey what isnt that Gerdies cub. Bear5: I believe your right. Bear1 & 5: This is going to be good. Bear2: Oh thats right move closer to the cub. Go on move closer. Bear3: Doesnt monkey boy know thast big brown thing over there isnt a rock but Gerdy. Bear4: NO dude dont touch the cub. Dude dont do it. Bear1: To late. RRRRRROOOOOAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bear1-5:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear3: OH man that dork was running so fast he looked like he was running on the water. Bear2: OH OH Gerdy got him treed. Bear5: HEHEHE dudes check out the monkey boys short. Gerdy scared him clean out of them. Bear3: Hey guys isnt a bit early for the moon to be up.. Bear1: Man I thought his regualr voise was annoying. Geezzzz he screams lounder then that lady we scared the hell out last week when we got in her trash can..............................................

Bear1: Today we are going to read some mail we get from you fans out there. Well I am going to read only 1 because thats all we got... This one comes to us from the artic circle.. Dear Fury 5
The other day there was a group of guys running around here looking for us polar bears. I swear we sat on a small glacier for 4 hours watching these morons drive around on snowmobiles. They even drove right by use twice. It was the funniest damn thing. I think y'all would have gotten a good laugh. Anyways Love your show and the way you mess with that guy. Man he is annoying now do you put up with him.

Thanks for the letter. That does sound like you had some fun up there. How do we put up with the guy. Not sure I guess we are so amused by him we just kind of put up wiht him...............

See Y'all next time on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy

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Alright now, we all know it's not the size or cost of the weapon. It's the person behind the trigger. Just remember Audie Murphy.

This is true. Cant denie it. Cant argue it. All I can say his. Well nothing..LOL ;)

In realty I go the range 3 days a week for 4 hours a day and I go threw around a 1000 rounds of ammo in a week. Man ammo companies should be sending me some coupons or something geezzzz.

I am a believer in practice makes perfect. Plus I like long range hunting more then close. So I have to practice alot.

Typos and spelling errors. Ya I make lot of them. I suffer from F.F.S.K dease. (FFSK also know as Fat Finger Small Keys dease.) Please excuse the errors. Its fard to try to be funny and gramaticaly correct ;)

It's all good!!!!!!!!!!

Grand Sam:
Let's get together for an Alaska Brown Bear hunt
adventure, not cheap a nonresident guided (a must)if you don't have any family up there, will run around $15k + for a tedy! Hunting is getting too expensive, only for the rich, man sometimes I feel like giving up this passion,I remember back in the 80s it was a lot easier to hunt now days everywhere you go hunting is private land, and they want huge amounts of $$$$, to let you in.
Here in California I like to hunt wild pigs, the pig population is large and they do a lot of damage to farms and crops, still they turned the pest control into profit LOL, so a piglet is $500 and if it's thropy an extra $$$, so I see it everyday less places to hunt the public land stinks, you might see a pig within a year,and the worst part is, the pig hunt in private land keeps going up every year, some of these outfiters require a minimum of hunters sometimes 40 + to get a cut on the deal like $50 off! what a bargain! LOL. I read some hunting forums where texas pig hunters think we are such a suckers for paying so much $$$ for a pig, they don't understand it, when in texas land owners will welcome you for free to kill those bastards!
for the past two year I bought my hunting license and pig tags, but never use it, so money went down the drain, I went to different public land same shit every time, coyotes and Jack rabbits, talking about Jack rabbits these creatures taste like shit! someone told me they're good eating, yeah! maybe for coyotes, I rather eat from QEFTBG/BETQG menus list LOL!
I can't wait to try mountain lion steaks, how about the tail? nice and crispy! LOL,I don't eat any animal that eats another animal or carrion!
The shark is ok I eat some and it's like sword fish, I like to fish my own too? small ones. Hey GRAND! we're getting of the topic here!this looks now like a hunting outdoor forum, what's happening to us? LOL LOL

BACK TO TOPIC.
My opinion about the audio tape is that Grizzly people will soon make another movie with some of the film not showed yet, I guess about 100 hours of it and they will add the audio as an special bonus, to keep the money coming in, they might hit gold! lets wait and see!

Well as I said I hunt for just about everything. Being in the middle of the country traveling to other places is pretty easy. I perfer to hunt in the South. Reason being public land is still good hunting and getting permission to hunt on private property is pretty easy because down there just about everyone hunts and are more friendly then the people I have encountered in the North. Plus alot of the people in the South are about $$$$ If ya love HOG Hunting you might look into a hunting South Texas, Arkansas, And Alabama a few of my favorit places

For more hunting tips I refer you to the Jeff Foxworthy and the Blue Color boys ride again. I think his hunting skit was on that one

Correction:Plus alot of the people in the South arent about $$$$

one dayt I may learn to type

Greed flourishes every where my friend. It's starting to get as bad here finding a good place to hunt. Everybody wants to sell their land or put modular homes on it and rent it out.

I don't know whats going to happen when there's no more forest and farm land.

Soylent Green I guess.

That much time spent on the range I'd say you're not just doing it for fun. Sound like a good person to have around if the need ever came.

Hmmm could be.. :)

Southern states are still the best hunting. At least in my opinion.

SAVE YOUR DIXIE CUPS!!!!!
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!!!

Discovery is going to reshow Grizzle Man this Sunday and Monday night who all is going to rewatch it

Are They gonna show it "AGAIN"?if it's an encore presentation is a waste of time, I got better things to watch like Sponge Bob Square Pants :>] if they add the audio as special bonus or a never seen film I will watch it, but the same thing again? and then come back here and write about hunting and salty crispy mountain lion, alligator tacos, or grease armadillo stew,what's the point?

LOL @ Ursus

Yeah, the south is a good place to hunt we still have a lot of national forest and thing such as that. Thanks for the complement QE. Our mama's teach us to be respectful and courteous from birth.

As for watching GM again. I've seen more than enough of that. I'd rather watch Jeremiah Johnson. At least he knew what to do with a griz.

OH! QE you take care out there! Had to say that. Lots of bad people in this world and not enough good ones.

Can't wait for the next instalment.

Today on Queer Eye For The Bear Guy. We are back in Happy little woods with all our happy little fury friends. After our disapointing trip up north we decided when we got back we would do something fun for our Big Fury Friends here. When we got back we found the EXTREAMLY CUTE!!! young lad who was trying to get a few of the girls attenchen. So We decide to give him a make over to make to give him a better chance with the girls. First off we trimmed up coat specailly around the face we made the hair feather back so the girls could see his face better and see the BIG OL BROWN EYES. Yes I know thats SO 70's but retro is coming back. We gave him some highlights and some under tones as well. We also gave him a much needed manacure. OH MAN HE IS SO BEAUTIFULL!!!! He should be a model or something. Oh and that swagger in his walk he reminds me of a big fury John Wayne. OH OH LOOK!!!! The girl are coming over to check him out. OH he is such a STUD!!! I could just eat him up my self. EEEWWWWWW ok enough with the butt sniffing you two. If your going to do that get a room or something GGGEEEEZZZZZ!!!!!!!!

Well our BEAUTIFULL Stud is moving off with his lady. I am sure there going to have some FUN TONIGHT!!!!

Stay tune foir more episodes of Queer Eye For The Bear Guy.................................

Today on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy.
Bear1: We are moving a few miles up stream to one of our favorit fishing spots to get us some lunch. Bear3: Hey dudes I think the monkeyboy is fallowing us. Bear5: GEE YA THINK!!!!! He is only making enough noise that they can here him at the artic circle. Bear2: Not to munch EEEEWWWWW WWWWWWEEEEEE that boy is starting to get ripe. I am sirprised the vultures arent circling. Bear1: Well we are here at our favorit fishing spot and monkeyboy is setting up his camera across the stream from us and OL LORD he has started in with the pschyo babel to the camera. Bear2: well lets get some fish we can mess with the yuts later. Bear4: hehehehe hehehe Bear5: Dudes whats with the giggling? Did ya fart in the water again trying to make a jaccuzie? Bear4: Nope just watch monkey boy over there and you will see. Bear3: What is that fox up to? He looks like he is trying to get monkeyboys attenchen. OH OH the second fox just rushed in and stole the bozos lunch bag. he is up and going after the fox. Bear5: Dude I am getting dizzy watching him run in circles after the fox. Bear4: Just watch and NOW!!! Bear1-4: HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Bear3: OH the monkeyboy tripped his own self and fell in the stream. OH THATS TO DAMN FUNNY!!!!! Bear2: OH DAMN!!!! The other fox just stole the dudes shirt that he had laying up by the camera. HAHAHA!!! Bear4: well y'all said he needed a bath. Bear3: Dude how did you get the foxes to do that? Bear4: I made a deal with them. If they got monkeyboy to fall into the stream I would go eat the badger that keeps messing with them. Bear1: Sounds like a fair trade to me. Bear4: I thought so. Bear5: UM dude you dont like badger. Bear4: I know dude but alison does if you get my meaning. Bear5: I should have figured you would figure out how to get some tail. Bear1: OOOOHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Dudes check it out!!!! BEAR3: WHAT IS HE DOING? DANCING? Bear5: HAHAHA HE'S GOT A FISH IN IS SHORTS!!!!!! Bear1-5:HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bear2: Thats just to funny!!! HAHAHA HE CANT GET IT OUT EITHER!!!!!!! OMG WHAT A LOOSER!!!!!!!!!!
BEAR4: Dudes does the smell of ripe wet human wash off? Bear1: For the fishes sake I hope so. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Bear3: OMG!!! He trip trying to climb up the stream bank and fell back in. WHAT A DORK!!!!!

Bear3: Thats all the time we have for today. I hope you found monekyboy to be as amuzing as we did. Tune in next time when we will be discussing our favorit foods and the best way to eat them.

Airlines Tickets to Alaska $1000
Camping Gear and Supplies for 3 months in Alaska Wilderness $3000
Plane ride into the remote wilderness $500
Watching a monkey boy pick up a fox kit and it wizz on him. PRICELESSS!!!!!!!!!

RCS dont worry I always take care. But thanks for the concern.

Hope y'all enjoy the above posts. I thought I would try my hand at commercials LOL

You get better all the time. I think those are the best yet! Wasn't home last night. You folks from the mid-west are pretty cool, too. I haven't made it west of the Mississippi. But use to live on the gulf coast.

For anyone who wants to know what a true hero is they couldn't do better than to read about Audie Murphy. Another good one is the Swamp Fox. That one is closer to home.

He's considered the father of guerrilla warfare.

Good stuff, people! I used to hunt in California.

Key deer huh? They have small blacktail deer on the California coastal areas. Good eating.

Jackrabbits are very tough. The best eating rabbit are cottontails. I guess the French eat big hares, like a pet rabbit, but I have not eaten them.

Nice guns! I had a Stephen's 'Crack Shot' .22 chambered for .22 shorts when I was a kid in the midwest. Good little shooter. I had a mossbery 10 guage long barrel for birds, high flying geese etc, but my favorite is my Remington 12 guage 838 auto.

Goof stugg B.E.F.T.Q.G. Typo's don't bother me, I can read what you're saying just fine! besides, I make my own share of them, and I suffer from the same ailment. Big fingers on small keys!

LOL! Keep em' coming. The fish in the pants and the bear hoping human smell wears off the fish was priceless!

LOL!

Correction. Mossberg 10 guage.

See what I mean? LOL!

Yes, key deer, I don't know if it was there size or the fact they were feeding in tomato fields. I've never tasted venison from any where else that was as good. I don't know if there are any left down there any more. The state brought in larger deer to breed with them so hunters would have larger animals.

As to weapons my personal favorite is a 38 cal 2 shot AIG derringer that my granddaddy gave me. Can't hunt with it but it does make me feel safe. Besides I don't hunt very much any more, to many trigger happy fools out there. Shoot at the least little sound. They don't want to wait and see what it is before they kill it.

I'd like to try fresh caught salmon, I think the stuff out of the can is better than the so called fresh ones you can buy in the stores around me.

Today On Queer Eye For The Bear Guy we are doing another den make over. WE ARE SO EXCITED!!!! Ok here we are at the den. There are some beautifull small trees leading up to the enterance. I think what we will do here is bend them down and tie them together to form a arch way. And we will see if we cant get some ivory to grow up it. Give it that Old English Garden feel!!
Now in side.. EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! OMG!!!!! This place looks like a torando hit it. OH AND What IS THAT SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GGGEEEEZZZZZZ!!!! Oh it is so dark and damp in here. Well lets see this pile of bones has got to go. What was he going for early caveman or something. Well these piles of fur here I think we can do something with those. And we deffently need to bright this place up..... Ok there. We are done. We got rid of the bone pile and took some of the furs and made a FABULOUS rug and hung the rest on the wall. We put bammboo torches in each of the corns to give the place some light but in a romatic way. We do want our stud to be able to score with the ladies. ;) We also painted the walls in a oranges yellow color with a lite pink boarder to also brighten the place up. And we also put in garden scent candles to bring a fresh out doors smell to the cave to get rid of that old musty cave smell. All that combined with the ivory covered tree arch way enterance I think we created a Palace for our Prince Charming!!!!! I think he will be very sirprised when he gets back and sees what we have done for him!!!!

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Spam the best processed canned meat you can by. You can fry it with eggs in the morning. Grind it up to make a wonderfull sandwich spread for lunch. Or slice it up and grill and serve it with a pinapple glaze for supper.

Spam is a very healthy sorce of protein and vitamins. Each can of spam is made from pork and mechanically seperated chicken... Wait a minute Mechanically seperated chicken isnt that the same thing as road kill?

Try SPAM for your self and see what you think.

Spam, huh. Does anyone remember the spam song. I can't remember the words. They use to play it on the Dr. Demento radio show.

How do you come up with these things? Garden scent candles and spam. Keep up the good work.

Today on Bear Eye For The Queer Guy
Bear5: On todays show our subject refer to as Moneky Boy is upstream fallowing another group of bears because he couldnt find us hehehe!!! We are now going throw his camp site once again. Bear3: Dudes OH YOU GOT TO SEE THIS!!! Bear2: What did ya find? Bear3: Check it out he sleeps with fake stuff animals. Bear1: Oh lord. What is he 5? Geezz what a goober. Bear4: Hmmm dudes these can here are closed but I can smell some goodies inside how do we open them? Bear5: Dude you wieght 1200 lbs just step on one end of it. That should do the trick. Bear4: OH COOL IT WORKED!!!! Bear1: Hey is there any of that nut flavored pasty stuff in there. Bear4: Lep! Chur is! Bear2: Well dang dude you could at least share. Didnt your mama teach you any manners? Bear4: Sharry! Bear3: Hmm lets see whats in this can. Bear1: What is that? Bear3: I have no idea. Bear5: Well that yellow stuff smells good but Bear3: Well then try it dude. Bear5: No you try it. Bear3: No you try it. Your the one that sniffed it! Bear1: Well I dont know about the yellow stuff but these white square things are crunchy and salty, and well dry. Lets see here. Hmm there not to bad with this yellow stuff. y'all should try it. Bear4: EEEEWWWWW This green water tastes horible. Bear5: That maybe so but your breath smells very minty. Bear2: Oh man this is AWESOME!! Bear3: Whats is dude? Bear2: what ever you call this thing I have my head laying on. Its very soft. I could fallow asleep like this. Bear4: Dang this one is nice to. I say we take them with us. Bear1: Dudes come on now were not here to steal from the dork. Bear3: wel we already ate part of his food why not take them. Bear1: Good point. Well if we are going to take them grab that big fluffy thing your laying on as well it looks confortable. Bear3: OH MAN !! Do you all smell that? Bear1: OH damn its a skunk. Bear2: Dude hey see if ya can get him to spray the monkey boys tent? Bear1: Mans that crewl!!! Bear5: Ok I will ask him...BEAR5: Dudes.. RUN!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!! DANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now thats a stink that will never go away!!!! Bear5: Well we ate. Got some new stuff lets head home and takea nap. Bear1: Good idea.

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Spam, huh. Does anyone remember the spam song. I can't remember the words. They use to play it on the Dr. Demento radio show.

How do you come up with these things? Garden scent candles and spam. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: SSDD at March 10, 2006 01:06 AM

To be honest I just get on here and let my imagination take off.

RCS The store bought fresh salmon is useully farm raised Atlantic salmon wich is not bad if you grill it or smoke it with some dill and lemon. Pacific salmon such as King Salmon and Sockeye are the best. Finding them is a bit of a challenge. Sockeye is the highest grade salmon on the market and is the stuff the japanese use for sushi

Same shit different day. Or be carful what you wish for, you just might get it! Tim could tell you all about that.

B.E.F.T.Q.G., That was awesome. Bear: "Didn't your mama ever teach you manners?"

Hahahahaha! Oh Man. And the skunk bit.....

I remember the Spam song on Dr. Demento, but I can't remember the words. Of course, I can remember the old spam commercials too, but they had music in the background.

"Spam, spam, what a wonderful meat; The more you look at it, the LESS you can eat!"

I remember those kinda. I know we always had at least one can of spam in the pantry when I was a kid. Nasty stuff.
I think we always had it sliced up and fried. Give me the old K rations from the Viet Nam days. Had a neighbor who use to fly in suplies he'd give them to me. Some of that stuff was pretty good.

Yep! You're SOoooo right SD. Sliced and fried was the only way to eat it. Out of the can? Nasty, nasty nasty!

Speaking of Salmon. I'm not a big salmon eater, but I love Thresher Shark, Calamari, Blue or 'channel' catfish, Croppie, Tuna (smoked) and Sturgeon.

Sturgeon is a very white meated fish, you cook it like venison......very little or it gets 'gummy'. The only 'bad' thing about sturgeon is that it has a lot of Mercury in it, so limit your consumption.

I guess I've had too many Jewish girlfriends in N.Y. in the past. Seems like I was ALWAYS eating salmon.

Salmon patties are OK. Mackrel makes good patties too, just make sure you cut out the black stripe on each side of the fish. Unless you are going to use it for bait. Makrel is good catfish bait.

I was thinking more like a bear catch it and cook it right away. The Salmon that is.

Its all good.

Today we decided to to do something for out smaller fury friends. We found a couple of Foxy Fox's and decided to give them a make over. The young strapping boy has a beautiful face but to much hair covering his big blue eyes. So were going to give him a trim so his little foxy lady can see his gorgouse face. We are also going to use some styling gel to make that bush tale as bushy as if can get. As for the sweet young lady. She too has beautiful eyes but she had alot of dark brown and black and some grey in her coat. So we are going to give her a nice lady like cut. And we are also going to give her a die job. A red fox should be red shouldnt she?.........There make overs are done and they look so FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our young boy is now a STUD and the little lady. Well all I can say she is the defition of what FOXY really means.They both look so good I could just eat them up. While they were getting there make overs we also redid there den. When we got there it was just HORID!!!! Animal parts laying around. Fur everywhere. Some green mossy looking stuff growing on gthe walls. So we swept out all thsat loose fur. Got rid of all the animal parts that were laying around except for the tails. We painted the walls a redish purple color with a hunt of yellow and orange going for a sun set theme. Took the animal tails and mounted them to pieces of wood and put them on the walls so they can show off there trophies with a little more taste. We also put a Frebreze scentstory air freeshaner in there as well. That way with each different smell they will have a different memory. Oh look they ran into there new den. OH they havent come back out yet they must just LOVE IT!!!!!!!Well we are going to go and give our two little love birds some privacy.

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Bear1: Todays show is a great one!!! We got food and a show. The food. We are going to be discussing our favorit dishes. As for the Show.
Bear2-5:HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: The show is while the monkey boy was trying to clean up from the skunk a couple of foxes and a racoon family snuck into his camp and took his things and scattered them around the out lining woods of his can camp. Bear4: OK on to the food. One of my favorit dish is salmon and mushrooms. You want to take the upper part of the salmon fillet and cover it with wild mushrooms. What ever kinds you like. Lay it on a big piece of tree bark and place it next to a fire. Yes Bears cook we usually do this at your camp fires while your sleeping or while your out fishing or hiking threw the woods looking for us. HEHEHE. Anyhow let the fish slow cook for 2 to 3 hours then enjoy. Bear5: Salmon and mushroom is good. But smoked Elk with raseberry sauce and wild greens is hard to beat. Now you want to get your self a big solid piece of Elk meat. get 2 good size sticks with forks at one end of them and one thats straight and long enough to reach across your camp fire. Put the forked sticks on each side of your camp fire and place the straight stick threw the meat and slow roast it over the fire. turning it ever 15 minutes for 2 hours for medium rare. While that is cooking get some raseberrys and some sugar you swipted from someones camp and mix them together in a bowl wich you have also swipted. add a bit of water tell you get a sauce. take some wild greens and toss them together. Put your meat on a plate poor your raseberry sauce over it and enjoy it with your nice green side. Bear3: Geezzz dude have you been looking threw old ladies sedgewicks window while she is watching food network again. Good grief. Ok here is a good meal for anyone. Get your self a nice piece of venicen. take some salt and pepper that you swipted from one of your brothers who swiped it from someones camp. season both sides and let it sit so the seasoning can soak in. Put a big flat rock in the center of your camp fire and let it get hot. Onces its hot put your venicen on it and cook it for 8 minutes each side. Once done enjoy. Bear2: Thats a good dish but.. HAHAHA!!!! Oh moneky boy has come back and seen what happend.. Bear5: Oh here we go. Out comes the camera and 3 2 1 . Yes the psyco babal begins. Bear1: HAHAHAHAHA Oh man he is HOT!!! I didnt know he could turn that many shades of red. Bear3: OH Lord here he goes trying to explain to the camera why the animals did this to his camp. Bear4: OH what a dork he said the animals did this because they were curouse about him. WRONG WE DID IT TO MESS WITH YOU DORK BOY!!!!! Bear2: While monkey boy is busy here is the last of our favorit dishes. Using the stick roasting method take a variety of different meats. The small scrap pieces work good for this one. We will be using some Moose, Elk, Deer, And Squirrel.Place the meat on the long stick and in between the meat place mushrooms and wild onions. Cook for 45 minutes turning every 10 minutes. Once done place on plate and enjoy. Bear3: Dudes check it out. Monkey boy is digging threw those weeds getting some of his clothes. I dont think he knows thats poinson ivy. Bears1-5: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Bear1: Well we are going to sit back and enjoy our diner and show. Hope to see ya next time.. Bear2: HAHAHA OH man he stepped on that branch and the other end popped up and hit him in the family jewels. OH thats got to hurt!

Stayed tune for more episodes of Bear Eye For The Queer Guy!!!!!

What the heck is going on here? The Betty Crocker wild game cook off. The Bear Eye For The Queer Guy stuff is some funny shit.

Hey you guys still here?
What happen to the treadwell topic?
We gonna need another guy to go to Alaska to live with the bears, so we can keep writing on this topic again:>)LOL
ANY VOLUNTEER?

Yes I volunteer jewels or what ever daggum name is to go. Sense she see was in cahoots with Timy she should take over where he left off.

Typing with your toes again? Jewel should volunteer to become the LADY GRIZZLE WHISPERER.

Bear1: On todays show we have moved up stream about 20 miles where there is more fish and game to hunt. Oh and Yes the MONKEY BOY has fallowed us. He has set up his camp in a little clearing about 35 feet from the rivers edge. Bear5: Man is he going to be on for a shock when the rains comes.HAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear3:OH MAN TALK ABOUT MORON GGGGEEEZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!! Does he not know how thows big logs got over on the other side of his camp. Bear1: haha Well if ya havent figured it out monkey boy built his camp on a flood plane. And todays its kind of cool. Very clowdy and you can smell the rain in the air. Bear2: Well lets gety some fishing done before the rain hits. Bear4:Good idea. Bear3: You always think food is a good idea.............Bear3: Well we have been fishing for a few hours now and the rain started about a hour ago. Its been steady but not to heavy yet. And monky boy has been sitting across the stream from us doing what he does best. Bear1,2: Wich is nothing!!!! Bear5:Lets move down stream to the eddys. Bear1-4: Ok.........Well we have been fishing for 6 hours now. Its been a fun day for us. Catching fish and watching monkey boy trying to keep his camera dry. Bear3: HEY PINHEAD!!! wATER AND ELECTRONICS DONT MIX!!Bear2: This has been a fun day fishing..Hey dudes whats that? Bear1: Thats a canteen. Why? Whats that over there? Thats a airtight food container you know that. Bear5: Dudes do tents float? Bear4: Of coarse not ya dork. Bear5: Ok well explain that. Bears1-5:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! OH man its monkeys boy stuff.... Bear3: OH look he figured out. OH LOOK AT HIM!!!!!! Bear2: Man he runs wierd. Bear1,3: RUN FOREST RUN!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Bear1: Slipped in the mud and not only landed on his face but skidded threw the mud on it. Bear4: Well mud masks aresuppose to be good for your skin. Bear3: Dude what is wrong with you. Bear2: OH! OH! YYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Monkey slipped again and skidded for a good 10 feet on his butt. Bear5: Dude give it up man you aint going to catch that tent. Bear1: OH NO!! He wouldnt! Bear3:I think he is ! bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHA Bear1: OH man he jumped in the stream and is swimming after his tent. OH this has been a great day. Bear1: Well the rain is really picking up now so we are going to take our fish and find some shelter on higher ground. See y'all next time. Bear3:Mud masks are suppose to be good for your skin,DUDE There are days I just dont know about you.. Bear4:What?

HAHAHA at least he's getting a bath.

Timothy Treadwell site URL change:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TimothyTreadwell_Paths/

That is a most perfect site for the Dexter Moonies. Any one interested in a more real account can visit the Yellowstone Bearman.

After watching that documentary about Treadwell all I can say is, at least it had a happy ending. This guy was a joke. What "research" did he actually do? Really just harrassing wildlife.
A vain, gay, mental case. Glad he's gone.

There is one thing that would have saved this Treadwell fellow and his accompanying "girlfriend"- all he would have had to do is simply come out of the closet!
Had he acknowledged his true sexuality a dozen or so years ago or more, not only his life but the life of Ms Huguenard and also the lives of the two bears most likely would have been spared.

Hi. I just saw the Werner Herzog documentary "Grizzly Man" and found it to be very perturbing, equally as much as many of the heartless comments offered by various message posters here -- that Timothy Treadwell (nee Dexter) deserved what he got coming to him etc. -- but for better or for worse, nothing that humans do or say ever surprises me. As the documentary unfolds, it becomes abundantly clear that Mr. Treadwell is in fact mentally-challenged, suffering from bipolar disorder/manic-depression, an assessment which I remarked to a friend with whom I viewed the film, granted that I have neither an academic degree nor training in clinical psychology whatsoever. While man's incessant spiritual quest to "bond with Nature" is certainly borne out of ideo-philosophical goodwill, there are times when such quests go well beyond the boundaries and laws of Reason, when man forgets the true power of Nature. Because of Mr. Treadwell's mental affliction, those boundaries were erased, all-at-once freeing him from the confines of Fear while, in parallel, imprisoning him within the dangers of The Wild. Yet, how brave he was to embrace his Euphoria, though foolhearty he was to ignore the reality of his own mental affliction. Yes, love may be a force of Nature, but Nature is a force with which we cannot always reckon.

The number one thing to remember about bears is that although they seem to 'shuffle' along, they can run 4 to 5 minutes at 20 miles an hour. There is no running away from one. Grizzlies will 'charge' when surprised, to protect their food cache, cubs etc. Normally a person wants to flee, but this triggers the predatory instincts of the bear. You must hold your ground and slowly back away. Usually the Griz will be content just to 'run' you off. Bears are excellent tree climbers, and generally there usually is not a tree handy unless you have to run for it. Bad idea. If the bear actually hits you and knocks you down, play dead.

Black bears are different. People think that because they are smaller, they pose less of a bodily risk. WRONG! Black bears will only come after you for one reason. Food. The only thing you can do with a black bear is fight or die.

In all cases, the best defense is a good offense. When hiking in bear country, make noise, and ALWAYS hike with friends if you can in 'bear country'. Bears need to know humans are around. It's the surprised bear that is the most dangerous and prone to attack suddenly.

Good hunters 'stalk' pretty quietly. Our rule is take a couple of steps, stop, look,and 'glass' the area with good binoculars, listen. Bears make grunting noises when they feed, and you will DEFINITELY know it when you hear it. Of course, as I posted before, an adept hunter will carry a big revolver, .44 or .45 with bear medicine. Of course the large calibre rifle is a given, since we are hunting big game, but I never go out into the wild without my pistol and PLENTY of ammo.

Many hikers carry firearms, many do not. For those of you who do not, a good pepper spray or loud 'foghorn' type device such as boaters use is a very good deterent. Both are inexpensive.

In either cases with either a Griz or a Black or brown bear, the object is not to kill the animal is you can avoid it. NEVER shoot a bear needlessly, number one, beacause if you don't hit the bear in the right place, (chest or behind the front leg for a good heart/lung shot, you will only anger the animal and seal your fate. Calmly placed shots are the key, and not many people can remain calm when the adrenaline kicks into overdrive. A cool head is the key. Also, even with a big slug, the animal must be very close for good hard hits.

Shooting the gun into the air is a good deterent for any charging animal. It is what I have done, and beleive me, when that big rifle discharges, NO bear is hanging around. The only way I would shoot a bear (unless I was hunting specifically for bear, in bear season, with an official 'bear tag' for hunting, is if the bear was endangering me or my companions.

Besides, shooting bears out of season carries a very heavy fine unless personal endangerment is perceived. Again, cool judgement must prevail.

What Tim Treadwell did in aggressively getting in close and TOUCHING wild animals tells me that there was something 'not right' in the man's head.

It was just a matter of time until he was eaten. He might have made it through many bear encounters, but it only took one to finish him and Amie off. He was foolhardy and dangerously irrisponsible to conduct himself in the wild in his fashion, and he sent the wrong message to his 'followers'.

That he was a fool can only be accredited to his 'mental unhingement'. There is no doubt in many minds that Tim was mentally unstable and seemingly 'lived' for the rush. The adrenaline rush is much stronger than any alcohol could ever be, and is more addicting than any drug. It is, however, short-lived, and takes the 'user' on a path of self-destruction.

That is why so many 'thrill seekers' wind up injured or dead. Like I said before, but it bears repeating; It only takes ONE time for shit to 'go south' and things usually go from bad to worse.

The best defense, as I said, is a good offense. Knowledge, good equipement, and above all, sound 'comon sense' is what makes the difference.

B.E.F.T.Q.G, that stuff is hilarious!!!!! LOL!

Something else to remember don't wear any heavy sweet scents. A bear can smell something like that a long way away. Use unscented soap, shampoo and deodorant if you can. And ladies leave you perfume off if you are going hiking in bear country. The life you save may be your own.

Bear3: On todays show the rain has stopped and things are getting back to normal. Well I am not sure what normal is for monkey boy but normal for the rest of us. Bear2: Hey dude your not going to believe this but look over yonder. Bear3: OH what now? OH!!! HAHAHA Monkey Boy has taken up rock climbing. Bear4: Why does he keep stoping every few feet. Bear1: Because he is psyco babaling into his camera. Bear5: hehehe OH I hope he goes higher up those rocks. Bear2: Why dude? Bear5: Oh no good reason. Bear3: He is probable hoping he will slip and come sliding down oh his butt or something. Bear5: hahaha nope but that would be funny also. Bear2: What are you laughing about? All he is doing is climbing those rocks up to that small ledge. Bear5: uh huh hehehe. Bear1: He is just tripping.
Bear1: Back to our show. As we said the rain has stopped and the sun is out. The stream is starting to go back down. Monkey Boys Camp is hanging from the trees in a attempted to dry them out. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHA Bear2: Man that was so funny watching hsi stuff float down stream. Bear3: Have you noticed he hasdnt made any attempted to move his camp else where. Bear2: Of coarse not he knows we are camped out up in the caves on this side of the stream. Do you really think he will want to move far from us. Bear3: WHAT IN THE HECK DOES IS MONKEY BOY DOING NOW? What is he filming up there? Bear1: That looks like a, Oh no it couldnt be. Could it? Bear5: HEHEHE Yep sure is. RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Bear5: OH DID YOU SEE HIM JUMP OFF THAT LEDGE INTO THE TREES!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man he looked like a flying squirrel!!! Bear3: HAHAHA I think he better check his shorts after being sirprised by that Mount Lion cubs momma. Bear2: Look at at her passing back and forth. Bear4: Ok I bet you 1 salmon and 2 rabbits that she jumps in the tree after him. Bear5: I will take that bet. Bear1: OH look she is taking the cub back into the cave. Bear4: OH man dang. Bear3: OH OH LOOK!!!! Bear4:YES!!!!!!!!!!!! She took a running jump and landed in the tree!!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear2: OH man I dont know if he fell out of the tree or jumped. But that was a good 40 foot drop right on his butt!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! Bear1: OH man he just jumped in the stream and is swimming down stream!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Bear4: Pay up dude. Bear5: No Problem that was worth loosing a bet over. Bear1: HAHAHA!!!! Well dang now I forgot what the show was about and were are out of time. But man that was entertaining.. See y'all next time. Bear3: what a goober. I mean gggeeezzz climb up a rock formation and start playing with a mount lion cub. He probable thought it was someones house cat that got lost or something.Bear2: Your probable right on that....

Keep it comming dude. I come here to read these everyday.

Bear1: On todays show me and the boys are going to answer some of the letters we get from you the viewers. First letter comes from Cindy Bear in the great state of Alabama. Dear Fury Five recently we have had more campers coming into the woods then in the past how can we get rid of some of them with out cause a big stink with the Wild Life Dept. Bear3: Well big stink is exactly what you need to do. You and some of your relatives need to get together and "MARK YOUR TERRORY" around the camp. The smell should drive them out. If that dont work let use know we will send bubba down I am sure one of his loads will vacate the area.Bear2: Or have it condemed by the EPA. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHA!!!! Bear4: This letter comes from Brian Bear in Montana. Dear Fury 5 I love your show and the things you do to the Monkey Boy.You all inspire us here. Bear4: Well Thanks for the complament. I am glad there are others who find the things that happen to monkey boy as funny as we do. If you pull anything on your local monkey people please send us a letter or a film so we can enjoy it with you. Bear2: This letter comes from BIG MOMMA BEAR in COlorado. Dear Fury 5, The locals here seem to tolerate us coming into town but they seal there trash cans and even hook them up to power outlets. I dont thinks thats fair to me or my cubs or other bears, Do you boys have any ideas on how we can turn the tables. Bear1: OK this is what you do. Most of those trash cans that are just sealed if you knock them down and step on the bottom the top will shoot right off. As for the eletrical problem for the price of a couple fish or even a sharfe of the trash can loot you should be able to get some of your local racoons to unhook the electrical wires from the cans and have them attach them to the peoples car doors. Man will they be in for a shock the next morning. Bear2 This letter comes from Bear5: DUDES COME CHECK THIS OUT!!!! Bear2: DUDE you just cut me off. Bear5: Sorry but you got to see this. Bear1: What in the blue blazes is monkey boy doing. Why is he running in circles waving his arms in the air and hitting him self. Bear4: Dude I think he finally lost it. Bear3: Nope HAHAHAHAHA those are hornets chasing him. Bear5: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!Yep sure is. He hung is tent in a tree with a hornets nest in it and while he was pulling it down he hit there nest. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: Man that boy is a looser. Bear3: OMG this is priceless!!! Bear2: Well we got to run hope to see y'all next time.

THE MASTER OF TYPOS AND MISSPELLING STRIKES AGAIN.. LOL.... Man it would be nice if they put spell check on here.

Hey y'all do you know what Big Bears call pepper spray?

Answer: Canjun seasoning!!!!

LOL!!!!

We all know what you mean. You need to put up a disclaimer about laughing so hard you hurt yourself.

WARNING: Bear Eye For The Queer Guy Post can cause the fallowing: Laughter to the point of hurting ones self. Laughter to the point of spiting coffee or other beverages on ones computer and its componets. Laughter to the point of releavings ones self prematurely. Laughter to the point of fallowing out of ones chair. Laughter to the point of causing tears. If you experience any of or all of these then the posts are doing there job and your on your own.
BEFTQG

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BEFTQG - have you noticed you are almost the only one left on this site?! Time to hang it up dude - it's getting too old........

Claw, don't you have a sense of humour. I hope he never gets tired of posting here. Perhaps you should find another place. BEFTQG you keep it coming most of us are your fans. Don't listen to the sour grapes.

Keep em' coming B.E.F.T.Q.G. This is very good 'banter'.....keep on' keepin' on!!!!!

Great post's! Cindy Bear! Who whould have imagined?

Nice!

Bear3: Today we got a bit of a sirprise. Some people have shown up down stream from us in a boat. They appear to be fishing. Bear2: Hmmm have you seen monkey boy anywhere? Bear3: Come to think about it no I havent. Not sure where he is. Bear5:I saw him heading into the tree line about the same time we heard the boat coming. Bear1: HAHAHA maybe he is afraid of people. Bear4: HAHAHAHA that would be funny if he was. Bear3: DANG!!!! DUDES!!!! Check out that women. That is one BIG OL FISH she has got there. Bear5: That sucker probable goes a good 10 lbs. Bear3: I think more like 15. Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!!!! That bold dude caught a fish about the same size as his bait.. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear1: Hey whats that in the bushes behind them? Bear2: Dont have a clue dude to busy watching this kid trying to land this fish...HAHAHAHA!!! OMG!!!! The fish pulled him in!!!!! Bear5: HAHAHAHA Must be a relative of Monkey Boys!!!! Bear1: Dudes thats monkey boy spying on them from the bushes..And he has his camera... Bear4: Dont tell me he is taping his own kind now. DUDE THATS OUR JOB YOU GOOBER!!!!!!
Bear3: What a spaz!!! Bear2: What is he wearing? Bear1: Not sure but he looks kind of freaky to me. Like some kind of alien mutant. BEAR5: OH!!! OH!!! They see him. I dont think they know what he is? Bear3: Look at that one guy walking backwards towards him like he is being sneeky..Bear1:OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1-5:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear5: THAT DUDE PEPPERED SPRAYED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!
Bear1:OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA OH I CANT STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!! Bear4: They thought he was a bear or something.. OH man look at him running throw the woods.... OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! Did you see him bounce off that tree? HAHAHAHA!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHA Man I know that had to hurt. OH look he is back up and running and... HAHAHA!!!! He Fell into the thorn bush!!!!! Bear1: HAHAHAHA Oh man I dont know whats funnier Monkey Boy running into the tree and falling in the thorn bush or the fact the others are still fishing after pepper spraying him.... Bear4: There both equally funny!!!!!!!!!!! Bear4: Well the has been another exciting day. Hope to see you next time!!!!!!!

Are you a closet comedian or are you this funny all the time?

Loosen up you people no one deserves this kind of
bad talk after his death even if he made mistakes that took his and her life. Is there any one human that has not made mistake. Epecially when
he tried to protect habitat and bears anywhere.
The only reason he went to Katami is, there were bears he could work with.Most other places on the planet they are either wiped out or very scidish.
He did have courage and as long as people laughed at him he was on hell bent on getting world attention even if it killed him. Who knows how many people will take up in his foot steps. Who will laugh then.

Are you a closet comedian or are you this funny all the time?

Posted by: at March 16, 2006 12:30 AM

All the time or well at least try to be.

Oh! Please, get over yourself. There are enough bad things happening in the world. Personally I like coming here every day for these stories. No matter what kind of day I've had they always make me laugh.

As Billy Joel says "It's better to laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The Sinners are much more fun."

Good stuff B.E.F.T.Q.G.!

Torpedoes be damned! FULLL SPEED AHEAD!

I LOVE your posts! Screw the 'dissenters'

Keep em' coming! Good work!

I, too, come in here for your posts!

Excellent work!

Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaaha!!!!!

B.E.F.T.Q.G.

Your stuff is AWESOME!!!!!!!

Obviously the people who don't like your stuff don't have a sense of humour or good taste for that matter.

You must be a riot to be around.

Hahaha................................................

Bear3: Its spring time here in the north woods. The trees are all green. The birds are out and singing. And families are here camping on the kids spring break. So whats that mean to us? Bear1-5: FREE FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bear5: Today we are here at the camp ground to see what goodies we can find. Bear2: This looks promising. The family seems to be out enjoying the woods and they left there food in the coolers. Lets see here. Nothing of much enterst in this one. Bear1: JACK POT!!!!! Hamburgers and Brauts. OH and there still warm. These are coming with us. Bear3:Hmmm I think these will go with the burgers and brauts.Bear2: What did ya find? Bear3: BEER!!!!! Bear5: Hey dude lets not be greedy. 3 out of the 4 cases will be enough for us. Bear3: Your right dude. Bear4: DUDES!!!! LOOK!!!!! Old people in a RV. Bear1: COOL!! OK dudes you know the drill. Act like they think bears act like and I know them old timers will give up some grub........Bear2: Score!!! She threw us a ham.. Yes!!!!...... Bear3: What the...Dudes when did he show up? Bear1: Man I thought we lost him back in the woods. Bear4: Dont mind him.. Lets get soem more grub.. OH OH that camp site looks good..Bear5: Oh No they put there food in bear proof cans and hug them in the tree. Bear3: HAHAHA well you can tell they dont watch our show. Ok y'all at home watching take note. Tie your food up in a tree doesnt work because we will just pull the tree down like so.... and bite the rope...Now as for Bear Proof Cans those are like Child Proof Lids only those who arent suppose to beable to open them can. Bear2: Dont look now but monkey boy is hiding in those bushes talking to his camera. Bear3: Geezzz he needs to find a female or something.. Bear5: HEHEHE OH I got an idea... Fallow me guys......OK put some of the food down right there. Ok now lets go sit over there..OH hide the rest of the food. Bear4: Dude what are we doing? Bear5: Your will see.. Bear2: Monkeyboy picked up the food and is slowly walking up to us trying to give it back to us so what.. Bear5: You will see.. just act like you dont see him..Bear1: What is this suppose to accomplish dude.Bear5: You will see here in about 20 seconds.. Bear3: DUDE!! He is coming closer with the food out in front of him.. Bear5: And...NOW!!!!!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! OH MAN!!!! How did you know the rangers were coming? Bear5: hehehehe they come threw here on the top of every other hour. Bear3: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh that was BEAUTIFULL!!!!!! Caught red handed trying to feed bears. OH man what is that a $500 fine...Bear2: HAHAHA !!!! Ya $500 per bear so that would be a $$2500 fine.. Bear4: OH man that was so wrong to do to him.. But it was so DANG FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: HAHAHA Well after we watch the rangers all off monkey boy we will get our food and head for home. I hope this show was educational for y'all. Bear3: Ya Remember dont leave your food in coolers or tied up in trees when you leave your camp we will still get it. Just go ahead and leave it out and save us time. Also dont buy the cheapest beer you can find. Get the good stuff. Man the cheep stuff makes me bulch. Bear5: HAHAHA!!! Also remember if your wanting to give us goodies make sure the rangers are not around.. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!Bear2: See y'all next time!!!!

Those are some smart dang bears!

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Hey there Fab Five. We just love your show down here in Dixie. I've got a little problem I'm hoping you can help me with. I was out running after a nice fat little squirrel and ran right into two of the local monkey people. Well, you know it scared all of us. They started hollering and waving their arms. So being a smart bear I turned around and started to run. One of them monkey people sprayed this orange spicy smellin stuff on me. Now I look more like a tiger than a little black bear and nobody will come around me. How can I get this stuff off, please help.

Peaches

Bear5: Well peaches what ya need to do is get some tomatoe juice and Bear3: Thats for removing skunk smell you dork.. GGGEEEEZZZZ!!!! Bear5:OH ya I forgot that. My bad. Bear3: Dude somedays I really wonder about you. Bear2:Peaches dont worry that stuff is called pepper spray. Some genouse came out with that thinking it would scare our kind of. All it does it make us orange and clear our synuses. Anyways it will come off with some soap and water. I am sure you have a stream, lake, or bond near by that you like to go to. As for the soap wait for the monkey people to not be around and take theres. Its only fair sense there the ones who sprayed ya. Bear3: Also While there away from there camp take the opertunity to help your self to some goodies for your trouble. Bear5: If you find the bottle of pepper spray take it. It give food a nice cajun flavor. Also its good for getting rid of head colds. Bear1: Once you wash that stuff off I am sure your friends will come back around ya.

Um Fury 5 I believe they were asking us. Oh I agree dear a blakc and orange bear just doesnt look right. Now if you were a lite red color then it would be very cool. Anyways the Fury 5 advice was correct. Soap and water will get it out. How ever if I was use I would find a bottle of shampoo that has a condishiner in it that way your coat will be soft and have the wonder healthy shine. If you do this on a windy day and can get a natural blow dry you will look FABULOUSE!!!!!!!!!

I dont know which is funnier. The BEFTQG & QEFTBG posts or that fact I just sat here and made a post getting on my self.. geezzz I must have lost it. At least the voices arent talking to me. LOL

Hahahahahaha! $2500.00 fine! That was good!

Hey y'all, I'm a little confused but wanted to thank y'all for helping me. My big brother couldn't find any camping monkey people so he want into one of them wooden things they go into every night and found us a bunch of stuff. That shampoo stuff worked real good and now I smell like a flower and my fur is nice and soft and shiny.

He also found something that smells like the mint that grows beside our favorite pond. But boy when you take a drink it burns all the way to my stomach and I feel kind of dizzy like I've been chasing a squirrel around in circles.

I've got to go lay down now my head is spinning so. You boys take care and thanks bunches for your help.

Lov ya Peaches

If I stepped on any toes with my feeble effort. Sorry.

You didnt step on anyones toes. The posts were cool.

Thanks, that is high praise coming from the master.

Bear2: Today we are still down by the camp ground and Monkey Boy is still a guest of the Park Service hehehehe. Bear1: We are going threw the camp sites on the north side of the grounds. Bear5: Dudes check it out. Bear3: Now who would go and leave 2 chickens roasting over a campfire unattended? Bear4: YES!!!! THERES CAKE ALSO!!! Bear1: Dang we did pretty good here. Bear3: YES A COOLER FULL OF BUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SCORE!!!!!!!!! Bear2: man this just doesnt seem right with out the monkey boy around. Bear5: Dude he has only been away for 1 day and your getting all blabury. GGGEEEZZZZZ!!!! Bear3: Dude even parents send there kids off for a few days so they can have a break. This is our break. Enjoy it. Monkey boy will get out tomarrow and it will be back to business as usuall. Bear2: Ya I guess your right. Pass me a beer. Bear3: That A Boy!!! Bear4: Dudes check out what I got from the campsite next door. Bear5: BBQ RIBS!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YOUR THE BEAR!!! YOUR THE BEAR!!!!!! Bear1: Well I hope you enjoyed todays show as well as learned something. Bear3: Ya dont leave food cooking at your campsite unnattended and lock your vehical up as well. Bear2: Also for you kids. There is a reason your parents send you to stay with your grandparents or aunt and uncles Bear3: Ya its beacuse your noisey little buggers and they need a break from you. Bear2: Well I wasnt going to put it that way. Bear5: See y'all next time.. If you two arent going to eatr them ribs pass them over here I will take care of them for ya. If you are going to eat them then get to it.

Bear1: Well today is our last day here at the camp grounds. So we are going to make it the best day we can. Bear2: Thats right! Right now a couple of the boys are off by the wood edge sitting there grunting and doing what ever it takes to get the campers attenchen while the rest of us sneek in behind them and see if there is anything of interest to us in there camp. Bear3: We reffer to this as the bait & grab.
Bear:3 LIke here in this camp. The dad and the tots are over taking pictures of the other two we are sneeking in to releave them of the package of hotdogs and potatoe chips they left on the table. Bear2: And I am over in this camp releaving them of some steaks they left out to marinating along with there corn on the cob. Bear1: I am in this camp and look what I found cookies, snack cakes, chips and dip. Seems we got the fixes for a good supper tonight. Dudes lets head for home..........Bear3: Well we are back home now with our loot and we have started fixen our supper. bear5: Dudes WERE BACK!!!!! Bear1: About time. What the..What are you doing with all that stuff. Bear3: Dude we were there to get food not cameras, sleeping bags, battery operated TV,s and what ever else y'all got. What are we going to do with that stuff? Bear4: Well on our way home we saw the Rangers drop Monkey Boy off by the trail. So he should be back anytime now. So we decided to get him some Welcome Home Presents. Bear5: Plus everyone saw him walking threw the camps we took this stuff from so we figured it might bring us some more intertainment. Bear4: Plus we drag this stuff down the trail he was taking and tried to make it oviouse. Bear2: OH LORD!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Bear1: Well tune in next time to see if monkey boy gets a visitor from our local law enforcement agents.. Geezzz guys dont ya think 1 trip to jail was enough for him. Bear3: Well it will be funny to see him try to explain how all this stuff got into his camp. Bear1: HAHAHA true.

HA HA HA send him back to jail good boys.

The Bearman has changed his page. There were no weapons violations given to T while he was in Katmai.

QEFTBG/BEFTQG: YOU ROCK!!!!! I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR LIKE AN HOUR READING EVERYTHING YOU WROTE. THAT SHIT IS HILARIOUS!!!! KEEP IT COMING!!

We all miss your post QEFTBG/BEFTQG. Hope you don't stop.

Bear3: Well on todays show monkeyboy had 2 visitors. The first visitors were our own beloved state police. After about 2 hours of questioning him they decided he couldnt have dragged all that stuff back to his camp sense he was being held by the parks dept. So they took the stuff and left. They have no idea how it got there so they ruled it a freek of nature. There pretty close sense the 2 who did it are freeks. Bear4-5: HEY NOW!!! Bear3: The second vistors was his supply plane. And they braught him more food and some new toys. Bear1: Some of his new toys were some digital cameras that he can place threw out the woods to get more pictures of the wildlife. And he got a couple of live feed cam's as well. So we decided that we would help with his camera angles. Bear3: We took the still cameras and point them at each other so all he will get pictures of is another camera. As for the live feed cam's well.Bear5: HAHAHAHA I hope he likes these butt shots. Bear4: Dude check this out.. Bear1,2,3,5: EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! Bear1: Dude you peed on the camera stand. Bear4: HEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH he well love it. Bear1: Dude what are you doing. Bear2: Just watch man.....Bear1,3,4,5: HAHAHAHA!!! Bear4: OH man he is going to flip seeing you wearing his hat.. I just hope he is recording this.Bear1: Watch this. Bear3: OH DUDE!!! I cant believe you just walked up to that camera and sniffed it then rubbed your butt on it. Bear1: HAHAHAHA!!!! Bear2: DUDES!!! He is coming.. Bear1: Back to the cave.... Bear2: Ok monkey boy is back at his camp with the memory cards from the still cameras and is putting them in his lap top.... Bear4: HAHAHAHA Look at the confused look on his face. .. Bear1: He cant figure out why all he sees is another camera... Bear2: OH OH he is turning on the video recorder.. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear1: Did you see him jump up when he saw you wearing his hat.. HAHAHAHA!!!! Bear3: OH here comes the pee shot.... Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Bear4: That grosed him out... Bear2: OH here comes you rubbing your butt on the camera... Bear5: HAHAHAHA OH the look on his face is priceless.. Bear3: WTF? DUDE!!! When did you do that? Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!!! it made him run off into the woods and hurl!!! Dude when did you do that. Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!!!! Thats why I was late getting back. I thought sense he like watching us so much I would give him a real show and I humped the camera. Bear1: DUDE!!!!! Thats even gross for you!!! Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!!! Maybe gross but it was well worth it to seem run off and hurl!!! Bear3: Well that camera will never be the same. And I am sure he will have nightmares for a long long long time. Bear1: Well thats all the time we have for today. Tune in next time when I am sure we will have more things instore for monkeyboy.....

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Hey, BEFTQG, I see you've been busy. Haven't been back here for a while. Love your post.

Yea, i been away for a minute too! Good stuff, BEFTQG! wassup up RCS?

Not much Grand Slam. How're you doing? Looks like most everybody is getting tired of discussing Tim. Even BEFTQG hasn't posted in a few days.

Oh I havent gotten tired of it. I have had to work Over Time every day this week because one of the bone heads in charge cant figure out what the hell he is doing. And he wont listen to anyone either... He kind of reminds me of ol Timy boy.

We the willing
lead by the unknowing
do the impossible
for the ungrateful.

Bear1: Today we have been sitting down here by the stream watching monkey boy. He was playing with some kind of animal calls and he took off into the woods with his camera so not really sure what he is up to. Bear3: He is going to try calling some animals in close so he can get some close up pictures of them. DUH!!!! Bear1: Anyways we decided we would do some fishing while he was gone... Bear5: The fishing has been pretty good. Caught a few King Salmon and some greylings..Oh we got some company.. Bear4: Hey there girls.. How you doin? Girlbear1: Was doing good tell I saw you.. Bear3: OUCH!!!! She burned you..HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear2: So ladies want to come over and join us. We got some nice fish over here... Girl Bear2: We can get our own fish thank you..Bear2: Geezzzz talking about playing hard to get.. Girl Bear2: Who's playing. Bear3: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You dudes are bating a thousand there.. Bear4: Ladies I saw some very nice salmon up by those rocks over yonder. Girl Bear1: Thanks. Girl Bear2: Hey those are some nice salmon. Thanks!!! Bear2: Show off!!! Bear5: Man monkey boy has been gone for a while. Bear1: Ya he has. GirlBear1: Monekyboy? Bear4: Ya he is this dude that has been camping over there and has been fallowing us around for a while now. He is kind of entertaining. Bear2: Speaking of monkeyboy I think he is coming.. Bear5: Man he is running pretty fast I wonder whats up.. Umm dudes is that a tree chasing him. Bear3: Dude you know trees cant run. Bear5: OK then what is that.. Bear2: Dude it looks like two trees chasing him now. Bear3: WTF!!!! Bear1: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Dudes its those two Bull Moose that live up by the lake... HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bear3: What is that smell? It smells like...OH HE DIDNT!!!!!! Bear2: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! YA he did he put female moose sent on himself!!!! Bear1-5 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Bear3: OH MAN HE MUST HAVE BEEN USING A MOOSE MATING CALL! HAHAHAHA!!!!! Girlbear 1-2: HAHAHAHA!!! OMG!!! Is he always that stupid? Bear4: Yes!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Bear1: Well if he stays to the trees and brush he might beable to stay ahead of them. If he gets out in the open... EEEWWWWW I dont even want to imagine!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHA!!! I already have!! HAHAHA!!!! Bear5: They caught him.. Bear1-5: EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!! Bear5: Man he is going to be walking funny for a while.. Bear1: HAHAHAHA!!!!! Well we will see y'all next time!!!!!

Good one HA HA bull moose.

warning this movie is graphic

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/grizzlyman2.mov

OMG!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! And I thought I had a good imagination. I would have never thought up something like that..HAHAHAHA!!! Oh that was to good.

Bear4: Well things are going to get more entersting around here. Bear1: They sure are. Today a plane arrived and dropped off not only more supplies for the monkey boy but also another person. Bear3: OH THATS JUST GREAT THERES 2 OF THE FREEKS NOW!!!!!!!!!! GGGEEEZZZZ!!!!!!! I'M MOVING TO CANADA!!! Bear5: Dude chill out. It wont be that bad. Bear1: Thats right. Just think about it theres 2 of them now so we can have twice the fun. Bear4: Dudes... I think the new person is a girl. Bear2: You sure about that? Bear4: Well I think so. Bear3: It cant be a girl.. Bear5: Why not? Bear1: Dudes monkey boy is gay. As in only mates with his own gender.. Bear4,5: EEEEWWWWWW thats sick.. Bear2: Wait a minute. Dude maybe right. The new person is squating to pee. Bear3: SO! Monkey boy does that also. Bear2: True. Never mind. Bear1: Dudes its a she.. Bear3: You sure? Bear1: Yep.. She has a rack and I dont mean the kind on the top of a mooses head. Lets see what happends tonight. Being up here for as long as he has that tent should be a rockin............................................Bear4: Dudes geezzzz how long can they keep that up.. Bear3: And dang talk about noisey. GGGGEEEZZZZZ she is loud. Bear2: You sure that her? Bear3: No but I am trying to give him the benefit of dought here. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Bear5: What time is it? Bear4: Why dude? Are you keeping track of how long there taking? Bear5: No. What time is it. Bear3: 12:45 am why. Bear5: Oh you will see hehehehehe!!!!! Bear1: Dude what did you do ? Bear5: Oh you will see in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1-5:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHA dude did you see that fox run in there right before they screamed.. Bear5; HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I told the fox if he would wait tell they were really getting it on then would run in and sniff there butts I would give him 5 fish.. Bear1: AHAHAHAHA !!!! Dude you aint right. Bear4: Dudes would that fall under a threesome? Bear3: HAHAHAHAHA !!! Ih thats sick dude. Funny but sick!!! Bear1: Well we will see y'all next time. Hopefully moneky boy can get monkey girl to stay so we can have more fun.. Bear1: Threesome dude your such a perv.

Good movie 'tim was nutZ' I loved it! BEFTQG....You rock solid, man!

I love the moose and fox bits! Hahahahahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIwhB38M1A

Bear5: Well on todays show we are doing my favorit thing. Fishing!!! Bear3: Dude does all your favorit things revolve around food ? Bear5: No. Theres messing with monekyboy.. Bear3: Ok you got me there.. Bear1: Speraking about monkeyboy where is he and his little play friend? Bear2: There over in the bushes by that big rock filming us. Bear3: GGEEEEZZZZZ she babals into that camera as much as he does. Oh for goods sake how many times does he have to check his hair? Bear4: OH OH GOT A GOOD ONE!!!! Bear3: DONT LOOSE IT!!! Bear4: HA there beat that one. It must got 20lbs. Bear5: More like 10 dude. Now here is a 20 lbs. Bear4: Show off. Bear2: OH something has there attenchen. Bear1: What is it dude? Bear2: Not sure. Its still in the brush.. Bear3: Its a Elk Calf. It must of wondered off from its parents. Bear1: Man you would think after his run in with Gerdy he wouldnt mess with baby animals. But NNNOOOOO there he goes. Walking up to it talking that stupid baby talk and filming it. Bear2: Well maybe this time he wont try to touch it. Bear3: YA RIGHT!!! Oh look at least she has some brains. She is telling him not to get so close. Bear3: Got ya you slippery little thing. Now theres a big fish.. HAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear3: What the hell was that noise.. Bear1:HAHAHAHA!!!!! He touched the calf. Bear2: And here comes momma.. Bear4: Look at him run.. HAHAHAH!! EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW !!!!!!! DAMN!!!!!!! Bear5: DID YOU SEE THAT!!!!! Bear3: He's going, going, going, HE'S GONE!!!! DADDY ELK HITS A HOME RUN!!!!! Bear1-5: EEEWWWWWWW!!!! Bear1: OUCH!!! That had to hurt getting hit from behind by a solid 6x6 rack and throw 40 feet threw the air into a pine tree.. Dang Glad I aint him!!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHA!!! Dudes did you here the thump when he hit that tree. That was great!!!! Bear5: HAHAHAHAHA!!!! That boy has had had a tough week. First the moose well you know what happend there. The the cold nose of that fox on his but. Then getting throw by the antlers of a bull elk. Man his but has to hurt. Bear2: Not as much as his face does right now after hitting that tree. Bear4: Look monkey girl is going over to help him. Bear1-5: AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn she helps him and sees if he is ok then starts chewing him out,.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! OH THATS PRICELESS!!!!!!!! Bear1: HAHAHAHA!!! Well y'all thats all we have time for today. See y'all next time.

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Timy the retard had a 8 pound water head. He stood 5 ft 3 and said to me I LIKES BISCUITS HA!!!

Man over time at work is killing me. I havent forgotten y'all. I will have so more good stuff on here very soon.

Glad to hear that BEFTQG. I realy liked the last one.

Thanks

BEFTQG...YOU ROCK!!! YOU'RE SOOO FUNNY!! I LIKED THE ONE ABOUT THE FOX SNIFFING THEIR BUTTS. KEEP IT UP.

Hey, Bear Eye I hope you get back soon miss reading your post. They are all good!!!!!!!!!!

Bear1: On todays show we are answering mail from our viewers. Bear2: The first letter comes to us from the state of Georgia. Dear Fury 5. Lately we have had quite a few visitors coming to our area with there canoes. A few here and there is now big deal. But there all over the river now. What can we do? Bear3: Well first off sense your in Georgia what you need to do is get a hold of a cd player and some speakers and get the sound track to the movie Deliverance. Once those pesky people are in the river. Play the dualing banjoes track. You will have them running for high ground. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear4: Or you can just get a couple of banjoes and 2 of you can learn the dualing banjoes song. Either way it should put a BIG Scare into them. Something about that ding ding ding ding ding, ding ding ding ding ding freaks them out. Specaily those who watched the movie.. HAHAHAHAHA!!! Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!! Actually that is a pretty good idea. Bear5: Here is another letter coming to us from Florida. Dear fury 5. Lately we have had an unusual amount of campers here in the everglades and we were wondering how to thin them out. Bear1: Well what you can do is save some of the scraps from your recent kills and when they get all tucked in for the night. Make a trail of the scraps from the waters edge to the camp and let the gators do the rest. Bear3: HAHAHAHA!!!! Oh I like that one. Could you imagine the look on there face waking up to a 12 foot gator going threw the camp. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! OMG OMG OMG !!!! GET THEM OFF ME!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Bear2: What the? Bear5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Bear1: Monkey Boy and Monkey girl sure do dance wierd. Bear4: What kind of dance is that? Bear3: And why are they yelling so dang lound? Bear5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man these is priceless.. When those 2 were up stream fallowing that fox family I slipt over to there camp and put honey on there clothes, tent, so on. Bear1: OH DUDE!!! HAHAHAHA!!!! You aint right. Bear3: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OH I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! Bear4: Whats so big about putting honey on there clothes? Bear3,5: HAHAHAHAHA!!! Because there is a huge red ant coloney over by there camp. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: Man there going to hurt for a while. Then itch like crazy!! HAHAHA!!!! Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!! Well thats all the time we have for today, tune in next time.. Dude putting honey in there stuff was just to funny!!!!

Bear Eye,

What can I say. It's always good to read your post. I love the Deliverence idea. The gator and ants too.

Bear1: HAHA Well today on the show monkeyboy has another visitor. Bear2: HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ya and look at him trying to explain the video hehehehe!!!!Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!!! Oh look at him pointing over while trying to explain it.. Bear4: ssshhhh dudes act natural. Bear3: We are dude. Bear4: I ment act like they think bears act. ggeezzzz!!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHAHA!!!! OH look at that dudes face.. The disbelieve is awsome!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!! Bear1: HAHA!!! Oh man monkey girl is trying to convince him as well. Oh what could be better then 2 monkey people trying to explain something to a State Biologist that the biologist thinks is not possible.. HAHAHA!!!! Bear3: OH MAN!!!! HAHAHA!!! Did you see him roll his eyes at them. HAHAHA!!!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear5: OH MAN!!!! He just yelled at them that there is no way bears could do that. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bear2: OH OH hes leaving!!! HAHAHA!!!! Bear3: HAHAHA!!! OK now that the fun is over I will explain what happend. Monkey boy set up a video recorder camera in a clearing about 150 yards away so when he and his girly girl went off on one of there hikes threw the woods. The 5 of us went over to the clearing set up a card table and chairs. Then we put on hats and sunglasses and sat around the table and played a few hands of Texas Holdum.. Just so he could record it so we could see their reaction.. The 2 monkeys watched it then radio the state biologist to come see it. And well you know what happend there.HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear2: DUDES!!! Did you see that ? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Bear3: HAHAHA!!! That fox went into there camp and while they were talking to him he stole the tape and now there chasing him threw the woods!! HAHAHAHA!!!! Bear2: eeewwwwww that didnt sound good!!!! Bear1: Man what is wrong with him? Cant he run threw the woods with out bouncing off a tree? Bear4:HAHAHAHA!!! If he keeps that up Green Peace may come and protest him for damaging the trees.. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Bear2: Oh that would be funny!!!!!! Well gang thats all we got for ya today tune in next time!!!!

Hey Bear Eye.

You never fail to crack me up. I love it. I keep thinking that the Dexter supporters see bears out there having a pink tea party. Sitting round a table speaking with English accents. Pass the tea old chap type thing, ya know?

HAHAHA!!! Ya I know what ya mean.. I am glad I make you laugh. Hopefully SLam and rcs come back as well as the others who like these post to check out the new ones..Tea Party hhhmmmmm lol

Do you know anyone who can draw? This stuff would be perfect for adult cartoons something on the comedy channel. I think you could sell it. It's original and funny as hell.

Just my thoughts, ya know.

I wish I knew an artist that could draw this stuff up. If I did I would propable make my own webpage just for it.

Well, I'm no artist either. I wonder how hard it would be to use pictures like JibJab. It would be so great to use pictures that he took and dress them up. I guess you would have to be careful to only use public domain pictures that way there is no copyright to worry about.

True

havent forgotten y'all its just be hell at work the last few days

Hey,Bear Eye was starting to worry you had forgotten. Looking forward to the next instalment.

Bear1: Well today monkey boy is running around with his camera taking pictures again. Bear4: Ya and he is getting to close to some of his subjects as well. I dont think he has heard of a telephoto lens. Bear5: GGGEEEZZZ how much of a close up does this dude need to get. Dang he got right in that foxes face whats he trying to do take a picture of its brain threw its nose? Bear3:HAHAHAHA!!!! Oh he found a new subject to mess with.. Bear2: OH LORD!!! This should be good. Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh man did you see it try to bite him. Bear1: HAHAHAHA !!!! Well it has given him a few warnings. Bear3: Do you think he is smart enough to listen? Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I guess not. Bear2: OUCH!! Oh man that had to hurt!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Look at monkey girl freeking out. Bear4: Well at least she grabbed the first aid kit. Bear3: HAHAHAHA!!!! Well they better have more then a snake bite kit in there sense that was a Timber Rattler. Bear1: GGEEEZZZ!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! OH man it rattled at him and even gave a few fake strikes. What did he do he grabbed it by the tail. WHAT A DUMBSHIT!!!!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Bear3: HEY DUMBSHIT!!! THOSE SNAKES ARE POISENESS!!!!!!! Bear2: OMG!! That has to be the stupids thing he has done yet. Bear1: Well monkey girl radiod for the medical chopper.Bear3: What a goober!!! Bear4: Well thats all we got for ya today turn in next time!!! Bear2: Good grief what kind of moron would grab a rattle snake by the tail? Bear3: The kind of moron that would try to pet a bear cub as well as a elk caf with there parents near by..

HAHAHA..BEFTQG...YOU ARE SO FRIGGIN HILARIOUS!! I TAPED "GRIZZLYMAN" JUST SO I COULD WATCH IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THAT IS THE BEST COMEDY MOVIE. THEY SHOULD MAKE ANOTHER MOVIE. "GRIZZLYMAN II: IDIOT RESSURECTION" TIM COMES BACK AS A ZOMBIE TO KEEP MESSING WITH THE BEARS. I CAN SEE THE TRAILER NOW."FROM THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU GRIZZLYMAN, COMES GRIZZLYMAN II: IDIOT RESURRECTION" HIS REMAINS WERE SPREAD ON A INDIAN BURIAL GROUND, SO LIKE "PET CEMETARY" ,HE COMES BACK TO LIFE. YOU SEE HIM STANDING THERE SAYING "I'M BAAAACCKK". OOOH WHAT A BIG BEAR(arm falls off, fox grabs it. He follows yelling 'Hey gimme back my fucking arm. It better not be in that den!!" Ahh deja vu. LOL. WELL KEEP IT UP

HAHAHAHA!!! Oh I love that idea.. That would be hilarious!!!

WHY SPANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GLAD YOU LIKED IT. THEY COULD CAST ANDY DICK AS TIM AND PARIS HILTON AS HIS GIRLFRIEND. HAHAHA..YOU SEE PARIS(his girlfriend) STANDING THERE COMPLAINING. "GOD TIM, I BROKE A FUCKING NAIL AND I GOT WORMS IN MY ASS, WHY ARE WE BACK HERE AGAIN?? TIM:" SHUT UP YOU WHINEY BITCH! WE'RE HERE FOR THE ANIMALS SILLY GOOSE" (flips his hair ad starts walking).GIRLFRIEND:"FRIGGIN QUEER". TIM:"DON'T BE JEALOUS OF MY FABOULOSITY". GIRLFRIEND:"WHATEVER.IF IT WAS'NT FOR YOU BIG COCK I WOULD BE SOOO OUT OF HERE". THEY START WALKING IN THE WOODS.TIM:"WHERE ARE MY FURRY LITTLE FRIENDS? HERE, FOXY FOXY. SPIRIT, LITTLE TIMMY?? I CAME BACK FOR YOU MY LITTLE FLUFFY BALLS(haha fluffy balls)"LOOK HONEY, ITS THE BEAR THAT ATE US. HE CAME BACK TOO. OOH WHAT A BIG BEAR. WHOSE A GOOD BOY,WHOSE A GOOD BOY" GIRLFRIEND:UMMM, HE DOES'NT LOOK TOO HAPPY TO SEE US.TIM: OH NONSENSE POOPY PANTS. LOO

OK NOW WHERE WAS I BEFORE MY COMP FROZE? AH YES..TIM:"LOOK, HE HAS HIS ARMS OPEN TO GIVE US A HUG."GIRLFRIEND:"THATS WHAT GOT US KILLED IN THE FIRST PLACE IDIOT."TIM:"YOUR JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE I'M PRETTIER THEN YOU".GIRLFRIEND:"AS IF LOSER.THESE TITS COST ME MORE THEN YOU MAKE IN A YEAR!!AND I'M SURE I CAN DO WITHOUT THE 'PRINCE VALIANT' HAIRCUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH." TIM:"YOUR JUST MAD BECAUSE I'M AM ONE WITH THE ANIMALS AND YOUR NOT" GIRLFRIEND:YEAH, ITS ALL THAT 'ONENESS' THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE" TIM: "WHATEVER,LETS PITCH A TENT(hehe pitch a tent)GIRLFRIEND:"SURE, I'LL JUST SHOW YOU A BIG PILE OF WARM BEAR SHIT.THAT SEEMED TO GET YOU EXCITED LAST TIME" TIM:"WHATEVER WHORE.YOUR MAD BECAUSE I'D RATHER FUCK BEAR SHIT THEN YOU".GIRLFRIEND:NO YOU'D RATHER FUCK A DUDE THEN ME.YOU CLOSET FAG."TIM:I'M NOT GAY!!!I'M JUST MORE IN TOUCH WITH MY FEMININE SIDE THEN OTHER GUYS, THATS ALL" THATS ALL FOR NOW. I'LL THINK OF MORE LATER

Well, that definitely wasn't the children's hour but it was funny as shit.

That's the one good thing I can give old Tim, he knew how to make people laugh. So all you moonies that's it the one thing I give Dexter credit for being funny.

Hi gang! I'm back! I had to go out of town for a few days. QEFTBG...great new posts!!!!

Hahaahahaha..Gators, ants..hornets, I can't wait to see what our Twinky Two are going to do next!

(Twinky Two = Tim and Amie)

Ahem!...I'm a pretty good artist and would love to draw a cartoon of the Furry 5....especially that mental image i have of them sitting around and playing Texas Holdum!

Great stuff!!!!!

I also have copy machines and faxe machines at my home office, so I could draw some cartoons as the ideas are presented here fax them over and one of you could post them with a link to the site where they would be.

That would be icing on the cake!

Let me know, and I'll provide an anonymous email we can communicate on.

We'll start out with the Furry 5 sitting around playing cards first, since I have a great idea for that sketch.

Bump!

Here's an idea for the cartoon caption:

Bear 3 will be wearing a cowboy hat/sunglasses and singing into the camera...."Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em".....with some musical notes drawn in.

And bear 1 could be saying "Dude.....you're blowin' my concentration...I hate Kris Kristoferson!"

(I know it wasn't Kris Kristoferson...YOU all know it wasn't Kris Kristoferson, but the bears would be guessing.....)

BTW, for real....who did that song? I don't rightly remember.

Ok, my son just told me who sang that song. It's called 'The Gambler' by Kenny Rogers.

'Course bear 1 could also say "Dude....you're blowin' my concentration....I HATE Metallica!"

Or some other musical group....just to make it more ridiculous.

Any comments?

Hey Slam,

That sounds like a good idea to me but I don't know if there would be any way for me to help.

How about a surfer type bear with a Hawaiian shirt and beads and maybe a bandanna over one ear?

HAHAHAHA!!!! I love it. That would be a funny bit

Hi Wendy. Yeah, with a silly blonde Timmy-looking wig on with 'flips' and bangs!

HEY!! NOBODY LIKED MY MOVIE IDEA?? :~(

Hey Slam,

Yeah, that was what I had in mind. The Timmy look alike bear.

Roxy, great idea! But I'm not a movie producer.....however, I'm a pretty good cartoonist. I just wish there was some way to post my art on here. Unfortunately, we can only type letters on here, not draw pictures! LOL!

I have been pondering the cartoon picture idea. Sense we cant post the pictures on here I am going to try to see if I can make a site for our collective work :D

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA! HEY GRAND SLAM: IT COULD BE AN ANIMATED MOVIE! LOL. I'M GOOD AT DOING DIFFERENT CARTOON VOICES. I COULD HELP

That would be great! I know I would like to see some of this brought to life.

HEY, HOW OLD ARE YOU GUYS? GRAND SLAM, WENDY AND BEFTQG? AND WHERE ARE YOU GUYS FROM? I'M FROM NY AND im 22

I am a 34 going on 16 LOL I am from the midwest

I am a 34 going on 16 LOL I am from the midwest

HAPPY EASTER TO YOU ALL!

I hope you guys have a fantastic one!

I am 51 years old and I currently live in the North West. I also lived in Texas and NYC and California; hunted in Texas, California, Colorado, Arizona etc.

I never hunted in NY.....well, I did, but only for two-legged deer in high heels! LOL!

Yes a site for our collective work would be very cool. We can always fax our cartoons, movies etc to the site owner. That would work pretty well I would imagine.

Hey there! Happy Easter to y'all. I'm 45 from the South.

I hope everyone has had a Great Easter!!! Sorry I havent posted a new bit yet. This past week was a pain at work and we just got rid of the relatives. I will post a new episode tomarrow.

Bear1: Well last night our sleep was disrupted when 2 of our local wolf packs crossed baths at the stream and decided to fight over the area. Bear2: Awww man monkeyboy is over there with his camera talking into again. Bear4: He better keep it down before. Bear3: THATS IT!!!!!! WHAT DOES A BEAR HAVE TO DO TO GET SOME SLEEP AROUND HERE? Bear5: Dude chill out once he gets done filming he will shut up and go back to his tent. Bear4: I still cant believe he is sitting there next to the dead wolf bodies and talking into his camera about what happend. People know what happends when wild animals fight. Geezzzz what a dork.. Bear2: Oh good lord monkey girl put a blanket over one of them and is psycho babaling into the camera also. Bear3: THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: DUDE!! Where are you going? Bear3:RRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1,2,4,5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear5: OMG look at them run!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!! OH MAN!!! Did you see him jump that bush!!! Bear4: Did you see dude jump half way across the stream while he roared? That was AWSOME!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Bear1: HAHAHAHA!!! I think there both going to need to check there shorts after that. Bear5: NO DOUGHT!!! Bear1,2,4,5: HAHAHAHA!!! Bear1: Ouch that had to hurt! Bear2: HAHAH she ran into a tree this time. HAHAHA!!! OH those two are ment to be together. Bear3: You would think those two would have gotten the hint after I kick the crap out of the two wolf packs lastnight not to desturb us. BUT NO!!!! He has to be a twit and sit there and psycho babal into that daggum camera. I should have kicked there butts also lastnight. Just for good measure. Bear1: Dude you scared them half way into Canada. They wont be back for a while. Go take a nap. Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!! Dude you cleared a good 50 feet in the air before you hit the water. It was cool man. I didnt think you could get thast kind fo distance. HAHAHAHA!! Bear3: Shut up!!! Bear1: HAHAHA Dude go to bed your cranky. Well thats all the time we have for now. See y'all next time. Bear3: And next time KEEP IT DOWN!!!!

Hey, I know just how they feel. I've had people compare me to an angry bear when they wake me up for no good reason.

Your stuff is always good!

Thanks for taking the time!!

Here's my idea for a movie about Dexter.

It's the full moon, in Katmai, the aniversiary of his death. Helen and some of his friends are there. Camping in the same spot, a mist apeares it forms into a bear, it's huge, it's his spirit, he goes into Helen's nose and she becomes a wearbear. And Amie's ghost follows it around and bitches about getting killed. While the wearbear tears everyone in camp to pieces and calls the real bears to come clean it up.

I used to be a guide out in Katmai back when Tim was out there. What a fine piece of work he was, he would imitate bears, you know running around on all fours, huffing and mock charging. Funny as hell to see a grown man out there doing that. Hell, there were days when I swear the bears were laughing at him.

So I'm taking a couple out to view bears, they wanted a private tour so it was just the three of us. The little woman was deathly afraid of bears, she had two big cans of bear spray, the orange stuff in holsters on her hips and a can she was carrying in her hand. She had asked about a hundred questions about all the safety stuff. I reassured her that we would be safe.

So we set off and I decided to take them over by Tim just to see what he would do. We're walking along a trail to the bear viewing area. I had already sent someone out to make sure there were no bears near by so I knew it was safe. There was brush on one side of the trail, as I passed I thought I heard something in there but I knew it wasn't a bear so I kept going. Her husband was behind me. She was in the rear. Well all of a sudden I hear this roar, I'm thinking Oh shit. When I turn around that little lady is standing in the middle of the trail with the bear spray held out in front of her just like you're suppose to. And Tim comes charging out at her. she let him have it with that spray. I wish I'd had my camera because he was rolling and trying to catch his breath. Moaning all covered with that orange shit.

Here's my story about Tim.

Being a bush pilot I fly people into the area all the time. Well, I was taking a group out to fly fish one day and low an behold who do we see below us. That's right dip shit and he's dressed like he's going to the opera. White tie and tails, top hat and cane, he looks like Fred fucking Astaire out there. He's dancing around the bears and yeah, it's like Jim said the fucking bears are laughing at this tard.

Well, he sees the plane right, so off he goes running back to his tent. Only thing is those foxes he feeds are with him and he gets his feet tangled up with one of them and down he goes face first into the biggest nastiest pile of bear scat I've ever seen.

Well, the bears and foxes weren't the only thing laughing at him that day.

HI GUYS! HAVE'NT BEEN ON IN A WHILE. HEY BEFTQG, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE REALLY FUNNY GOR THE SHOW? IF ONE OF THE BEARS GRABS HIS CAMERA AND ANOTHER HIDES IN HIS TENT AND SCARES THE GAY OUT OF HIM WHEN HE OPENS IT AND THE BEARS WITH THE CAMERA TAPES IT ALL AND SENDS IT TO 'AMERICAS FUNNIEST FAG VIDEOS' LOL JUST IN CASE IM COPYRIGHTING THIS IDEA LOL (TM)

HAHAHA That does sound like a good one Roxy. Jim and Bob your stories of timmy the retard are great also. I found them very funny!!!!

Hi.
My name is Kandy. My husband and I use to do a little backpacking out in that area back in the late 90's. We traveled pretty light and tried to see as much as we could in the short time we had. We'd run into that Treadwell fellow a few times over the years. He was a scary dude you know all nice and friendly like a big puppy. Then you turn and see him when he didn't think you were looking and he looked more dangerous than the bears. We'd seen him acting like a bear rolling around in the spot a big boar had just left, playing in their poop. We tried to avoid him after seeing all that you know.

So one day we saw him doing a Sally Rand out there. I kid you not he was bare ass naked with these two big silver reflectors doing a fan dance for this group of seven or eight foxes. They were eating tuna out of cans while he did his little dinner act for them. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I would never have believed it. I tried to get some pictures of him but he saw us and ran off into the brush squealing like a little girl.

THAT MUST HAVE BEEN THE PHYSCO FAG RAIN DANCE!!! HAHA. BEFTQG, GLAD YOU LIKED MY IDEA! LOL. I STILL WANNA KNOW WHAT THE TAPE SOUNDS LIKE.

Roxy and BEFTQG

Thanks for liking my stories, Dexter really was seen wearing a full tux with tails and another time he was doing the fan dance. I don't know if he was bare assed naked or not but it sounded better that way.

Roxy, I like the physco fag rain dance it's just a shame there is no film of it. As to the tape give Jewel enough time and she will release it. Nobody has offered her the right amount of money for it yet. But with the strong aversion she has to the truth she will more than likely have a fake made and released that.

YOUR WELCOME.IT WAS FUNNY.I BET YOU THE TAPE SOUNDED LIKE THIS:TIM:"AMIE,I HEAR SOMETHING,GET THE CAMERA. AMIE:"UMM...WHY?" TIM:"BECAUSE I MUST DOCUMENT ALL OF GODS FURRY LITTLE CREATURES!". YOU HEAR TIM WALK OUT THE TENT.TIM:"WHOSE A BIG BEAR? YOU ARE! WHOSE A GOOD BOY (starts talking baby talk)AMIE! ARE YOU GETTING THIS??" AMIE: " YEAH!(mumbles to herself."fucking queer")THEN YOU HEAR THE BEAR ROAR.BEAR: AAARRRRROOOOOAAARRRR". THEN YOU HEAR OL'TIMMY BOY SCREAMIN LIKE A BITCH.TIM: "AHHH., OH MY GOD, MY HAIR!!! HE'S GOING TO MESS UP MY BEAUTIFUL HAIR!! QUICK HIT HIM WITH A FRYING PAN!! AMIE:"BUT WHAT ABOUT PROTECTING THE BEARS?? TIM:" FUCK THAT SHIT!! MY HAIR IS GETTING MESSED UP!! JUST HIT THE DAMN THING ALREADY!!AMIE:"OK,IF YOU SAY SO". CLUNK!!CLUNK!!AMIE:"THE BEAR DOES'NT LOOK TO HAPPY NOW.UM YOUR OWN BYEEE!!!" BUT BEFORE SHE COULD RUN THE BEAR SMACKED HER DOWN.YOU HEAR TIMMY SCREAMING LIKE A GIRL, THAT WAS'NT AMIE, AS PREVIUOSLY THOUGHT. THEN THE BEAR EATS THEM. THE END., LOL

HEY!! WHERE DID EVERYBODY GO??

"ALL BY MYSEEELF. DON'T WANNA BE ALL BY MYSEEELF ANYMOOORE" LOL

Hey Roxy I'm still around.

Bear3: On todays show we decided to have a little fun with the monkey people. Bear1: HAHAHA!!! A little bit of fun? Bear3: HEHEHE!!! OK OK!! It wont be much fun for them but we will enjoy it. Bear5: HAHAHA!!! OK Its done. Bear2: Oh hopefully this will be entertaining. Bear4: I am sure it will be. Bear3: OK I am going to go get ready and in possion. Bear5: So am I. Bear1: ssshhhhhh keep fishing. Bear2: come on go into the tent. oh oh oh there she goes.. aw man why did he stop her? bear4: shes in shes in. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW............RRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW OH GOD OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1,2,4: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bear2 HAHAHAHA!!!! Oh man she ran and triped and fell into that prickle bush and he ran straight into that oak branch. OH that is too funny.Bear4: I think there still running.hehehehe!!! Bear1: HAHAHA OH did you see her coming running out of that tent when she saw the snake in there.. HAHAHA!!! Bear2: YA but when dude shot up out of the bush and roared at them I swear they both turned white.hahaha!!! Bear2: OH MAN and when dude shot up out of the stream mud bank and roared at him was AWSOME!!!!! Bear4: I think they both need to check there shorts again. hahahaha!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHA!!! Oh man when I came out of the mud bank he looked at me like I was some kind of alien or something.. I scared him speechless. Bear5: HAHAHAHA!!! I think they thought they were getting attacked by Bigfoot and a swamp montser. HAHAHAHA!!! Bear3: Man I heard him hit that oak branch. We better go see if the tree is ok. Bear1: Dude thats mean. Funny but mean!! Well thats all the time we have for now. Tune in next time.

LOL. I CAN IMAGINE HIM SMACKING INTO THE TREE.TIM: "AAAAAAHHHHH.......BADUNK!! HAHAHAHAHA

HELLOOO(hears echo) ANYBODY THERE??(hears crickets) OH WELL

I'm still around Roxy. No one has anything to say on this thread. Hey BEFTQG you still out there?

Hi Wendy! Cool. I thought i was all alone.Yeah where are you beftqg? We need new material. LOL

Ya I am still around just been working alot lately. It sucks

I think timothy was a person who was true to what he belived in and those people who laughed at his death are sick in the head therselfs

DIP ME IN SNAKE OIL AND CALL ME A RATTLESNAKE. I THINK THAT A PERSON WHO THINKS THAT, IS A LITTLE MORE THAN SICK IN THE HEAD.

IF HIS BELIEFS WERE TELLING LIES AND CONNING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR MONEY THEN HE HELD TRUE TO THEM.

HE LEFT NOTHING BEHIND EXCEPT DEATH. POINTLESS DEATH. ALL HE NEEDED TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE RULES ON EXCEPTED HUMAN BEAR ENCOUNTERS IN THE NATIONAL PARK WHERE HE SQUATTED FOR MONTHS AT A TIME. HE WASN'T DOING ANYTHING OF VALUE, HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF FAMOUS. HE USED THE BEARS AND THE PARK AS IF THEY WERE HIS OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. IN THE END HIS ARRAGANCE CAUGHT UP WITH HIM AND HE BECAME DINNER FOR THE VERY ANIMAL HE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE PROTECTING. IF THATS NOT FUNNY WHAT IS. TELL ME ____ WHAT WAS HE DOING DRESSED IN A TUX PLAYING WITH THE BEARS? I REALLY WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT HELPED THEM OR YOU FOR THAT MATTER?

Timmy the retard had a 8 pound water head. He stood 5 ft 3 and he said to me " I like bear poop hahaha"

Slam, Wendy, and the rest sorry I havent been around much. Work is driving me insane because we got a coperate directive to reset the way we have the warehouse. And well its not going as well as planned. We are having to replace alot of the shelf rollers that allow the boxes to slide down to the order pickers and so on. I am also trying to come up with some new stuff to get y'all to spit your coffee or drink of prefference on your keyboard. "BEAR" with me. HAHAHA. I hope to have some new stuff up on here this week.

Glad to hear you haven't forgotten us. Hope your work goes better. Looking forward to your new stuff.

Timmy's greatest wish was to become bear poop there's only one way for that to happen so I would say his wish came half true. To bad the bear didn't live long enough for him to pass through but did Tim really deserve to have his wish granted?

Hey people! Whatssup B.E.F.T.Q.G., Wendy, and the rest!

I was watching an episode on the Science channnel, channel # 272 for us Comcast users in the North West, and it was amazing. It's called "Bear: Spy in the Woods.

Scientists have these roving little robots that have tracks wheels that can follow bears for study etc. On is just an automated box with mirror sidea and a camara inside, making it alsmost invisible! That one if for the Great Panda's.

Another one looks like a boulder with little tank tracks with a camarea inside, that one's for the Browns, or what we call Grizzlies, and yet another robotic vehicle looks like a block of ice with a camera inside. That one is for the Polar bears.

There is another species of bear that I never heard of that lives in Asia, but I cannot remember the name. It kind of has a racoon-looking mask, but the bear itself is brownish and the mask is whitish-brown. I taped the show, so next time I watch it I'll get you guys the name of those bears.

Short srory long, the VIDEO! Oh my Lord! That show has awesome footage of all the bears, at different times of the seaseons, and they even have inside cave shots of Mama bear bringing her stunned baby back into the den and hugging her little cub after it fell out of a tree, hugging the baby with her arms.

They show Polar bears fishing and sliding down icy slopes like snowboarders for fun! We see Grizzlies not only eating fish, but snorkeling underwater to turn over submerged rocks etc looking for clams and other shellfish and using their claws with the greatest dexterity to open them up! Panda's knocking the snow off of tall canes of babmoo, then ROLLING the leaves up to make a tasty cigar-looking munchie!

Oh man, if you guys get a chance to watch it, do!

No humans running around with camera's allows these non-intrusive robotic vehicles to see never before seen footage.

Black bears seem to be the most intelligent because they found the damn camera inside the boulder vehicle and chewed it up and even found a camera in a small log and chewed at that one too!

Timmy was just a fool, but perhaps he knew about these vehicles and felt his job security was on the line...hahahaha!

B.E.F.T.Q.G.....Yeah, we're waiting for some more cool stuff from you! I understand pressure at work, so you just take care of that first and we'll read your new stuff when you get a round to it. No worries!

We, your fans, will be checking in intermittently for your new posts! :^)

I would really like to see that show. Why doesn't Discovery channel put something like that on instead of Dipshit Dexter's story. I would much rather see something like that.

The black bears see everything as potential food. It's there nature after the Chestnut blight they had to adapt there diet. That maybe why they found the cameras.

Bear1: Hello all and welcome to our show. Today we have moved up stream a few miles from where we wear to an area with a large sandbar and where the river is actually wider as well. Bear5: And were the fishing is better as well. Bear2: Thats right. We have caught some big ol...Oh boy monkey boy and his pet have found us and moved in across stream and are setting up camp. Bear5: RETARD ALERT!!! Bear3: DANG!!! I thought leaving in the middle of the night like we did would throw them off. Bear4: I guess not. Bear1: O well back to fishing as we were saying the fish here are HUGE!!! Bear3: Oh look there setting up there cameras and stuff. Bear5:OH OH there leaving and taking cameras with them. I will be right back.. Bear2: Where are you going? Bear5: You will see. Bear4: Hey dudes check out this fish. This has to be the biggest one yet. Bear2: That is a big one. Bear1: Stay tuned we will beack right after these messages............ The Energizer bunny it keeps going and going and going and CRUSH!!!! Got him!!! Ford trucks built FORD TUFF!!! Aww man lets go to the car wash so we can get this pink fur out of the tires.....................

Bear1: Well we are back and fishing has been going good. Some of our other bear friends have shown up to join us and we are going to have a little beach party. Bear5: HEHEHEHE!!!! OH I am happy we have a croud. Bear3: What did you do? Bear5: OH you will see. Bear4: OK well I aquired monkey boys boom box and his beach boy cd so we are good to go. Bear2: We still have a bunch of bear left over from when we scared that fishing party out of here. Ok lets PARTY!!!!!!!!!

Bear2: OH OH here they come. Bear5: Those are the retards we have been telling you about. And here they go back to there tent right after they stop and look at all of us. Bear3: OH god he is filming us and talking that baby talk crap. Bear5: Oh thats ok. Oh here they go there going into the tent.. AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW WHAT THE HELL!!!!!! GET OUT!!!! GET OUT!!!! GROWL!!!!!!! SNORT!!!!! GROWL!!!!!!!! GROWL!!!!!!! Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Bear1: OH DANG!!!! That had to hurt!!! Did y'all see him trip over that log!!!! Bear3: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! OK where did the wolverine family come from? Bear5: HEHEHEHEHE!!!!! I told them we would give them some fish if they took over the monkey peoples tent and camp. Bear2: HAHAHAHA!!!! OH thats good!!!! Umm when will they give them there tent back? Bear3: WHO CARES!!!!! Bear4: I guess there sleeping under the stars tonight! Bear5: HAHAHA!! They said they could only stay for a few days. So in a couple of days they can have there tent back. Bear1: Dude I dont think they would want it back after that. Wolverines are not the best smelling animals. Bear5: True! But who cares? Bear1-5: NOT US!!!!! Bear1: Well lets get back to the food. Our guests seemed to have enjoyed the show as well. Bear5: HAHAHA!!! Check it out dudes. Bear2: Dude you taped all this? Bear5: Dang right. Time to send it to Animal planet so they care air it on one of there shows. Bear1: HAHAHA!!! Well thats it for our show today (LOUD THUNDER CRASH) Well it looks and sounds like (RAIN STARTS POORING) rain. We are going to take cover in our new cave and watch the monkey people get soaked. See ya next time.. GROWL!!!!! GROWL!!!!!! Bear3: HAHAHA!!! Oh what a moron he tried to get back in the tent!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Bear Eye For The Queer Guy has been brought to you by Ford Truck also by Sony Handy Cam. And by the American Express card. Dont leave home with out it. In less your heading for the middle of no wear Alaska then you just wont need it.

HAHA THAT WAS GOOD. I HAVE NOT BEEN ON IN A WHILE, SO THAT WAS A REAL TREAT!! KEEP IT UP!!

You haven't lost your touch. The ads were genious. It's all good.

Thank You!!! Thank You!!!

HEY, BEFTQG! DON'T LET IT ALL GO TO YOUR HEAD!! YOU WON'T FIT IT THROUGH DOOR!! LOL JK

I havent forgotten y'all. sense I have a 3 day weekend I am going to try to come up with some more good stuff for ya.

Glad to hear it BEFTQG. I hope you enjoy your time off.

That was a good one! We you fans will be waiting. No worries mate! :^)

Happy Memorial Day people!

HEY WHERE IS EVERYBODY??

Bear1: hello welcome to todays show. Its 3:00 am and we are getting ready to mess with monkey boy and his play toy. Bear4: Ok dudes got your selfs made up. Bear3: sure do. Bear2: Ok dude hit it. (3:05 am) BANGBANGBANG THUND BANG BANG THUND CRASH BANG BANG BANG BANG BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG THUD SPLASH BANGBANGBANG BANGBANGBANG BANGBANGBANG CRASH THUND (noises continue to 5:30 am) 5:45 am monkey boy: OH MY GAWD!!!! The poor bears!!! Those horible pochers came in here in the the dark and gunned them all down. OMG look at all the blood. Monkey girl: My gawd why oh why would some one do such a horrible thing? Why? Monkey boy: Because most people see these darling animals as mean killers. Not the sweet animals that they are. Lets move those two out of the water and find a place to lay them to rest. Monkeyboy: Ok come here .. now grab that other paw and pull... Bear3: RRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Monkeyboy: HOLY @#$%^ Bear1,5: GGGRRRRRRROOOOOOWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!! Monkeygirl: aw aw aw aw Bear4: SNORT!!! monkeyboy and girl: RRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRIP SPLASH RUN RUN RUN CRASH THUND BANG THUD TRIP THUD CRASH. Bear1-5: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bear1: OH man they managed to trip over everything in the woods and crash into what ever they couldnt trip over .. Bear5: HAHAHAHA Oh man tripping over that rock and face planting into the gravel creek bed had to hurt. Bear2: Not as much as her tripping over that log and landing in that thorn bush hahahahaha. Bear4: Bouncing off 3 trees in a row has to be a new record.. Bear1: Please tell me we got that on film Camera Bear: Sure did!!! Bear3: Bottle of catchup 78 cents. Boom box $179 . CD of battle sounds $5.99. Fooling two dumb shit in the woods and then scaring the hell out of them and getting it on tape. PRICELESS!!!!!!!!
Bear1: HAHAHAHA!!!! Well hope y'all enjoyed the show see ya next time.

For those who havent seen it tune into comedy central and watch the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. One for the road. Ron White makes fun of Timmy boy. Its a great bit.

Sorry this took so long the other half had to a great aunt die over the holiday weekend. wich is sad. The bad thing is the other 1/2 and her 2 brothers didnt even know this person except by name.

Great Post BEFTQG!....but.....sorry about your loss.....My sincere condolences. :^(

Same here BEFTQG.

Thanks y'all. I havent forgotten about ya

Man work is sucking bad. They hired more people saying it will help cut back the over time. Well that didnt work. We have 5 new people but we are still working 10 hour days. In stead of only processing 3200 cases a day we are doing 4000 plus. I dont think anyone has a clue about whats going on.

Sorry work is sucking so much, if the people in charge had to work in the trenches once in a while they might actually know what is going on. Hang in there BEFTQG hopefully things will get better soon.

Everyone have a safe and happy Fourth of July.

Just saw the movie last night. He definitely was Bipolar - I know because I am. This guy was in the manic phase of manic-depressive (Bipolar) illness. He was pathetic and out of control.
I got the feeling that the loved ones and family didn't recognize that he had an illness, or were in denial about it. But of course I don't know for sure. Maybe they tried everything they could to get him help, and he refused help. Maybe they didn't do anything. I don't understand, though, why at the end of the film they didn't talk about his illness, or medication, or how they tried to get him help. They seemed to talk about him like he was this "free spirit".
I didn't like the lady talking about how the girl "let herself in for all this, she went along willingly, was used to camping, etc." She was trying to take the blame for her death off of Tim. The girl was petrified of those bears, and they said that more than once during the film. I think she went back with him because she understood he had an illness (she had said he stopped taking his medication) and felt she had to look out for him in some way(my opinion; who knows?). His disease got himself and the girl killed. It's tragic that she was there. The "close loved ones and friends" disturbed me the most in this film. They seemed clueless about someone they knew so well. He obviously had so much support; some Bipolar's don't have one family member or friend they can turn to. So I'm wondering, since he had all these people caring about him - why wasn't he in a hospital instead of on a river bank sitting near and talking to grizzly bears?

I am glad I seen the movie it was really good, Life is not always what we want, so we adapt things that appeal to us, that I guess don't really fit society's main stream. I wish I could have been a friend of Tim's

Timothy Treadwell was not an "idiot". He obviously had problems that were not his fault. He had a passion and it grew out of control fast by being isolated so long with those bears. He had become detatched from humanity. He found something he felt made his life worth living and I can relate to that. It became a mission to "protect" the bears. He couldn't see it as anything else but that, he was protecting them. He didn't understand that he was actually harming the bears. Watching the film will show anyone that Timothy Treadwell was not doing well mentally and emotionally. That is not his fault. His friends and family should have stepped in and gotten him help. The officials that knew he was out there with those bears should have interviened and stopped him from doing what he was doing. They probably just viewed him as an asshole and he wasn't an asshole at all. They all probably joked around and hoped he'd get killed. If you studied Timothy closely it is obvious that he was asking for help. It's a very sad thing really. What happened to Timothy Treadwell could easily happen to others. Maybe not with bears but definitely with many other things. I know that it is easy for me to detatch from humanity and focus on the love and care of animals. Just look at all the assholes that post comments in here, animals would never say those things. If you think about it long enough you will be able to understand Timothy and what he was doing and what he needed. If not, you are just one of the terrible people that Timothy was trying to keep away from. It's hard to keep your head up and stay moving forward in this world when it is full of terrible, mean people that have nothing better to do than pick on the downhearted and confused. The "weak" so-to-speak. Timothy Treadwell was a kind-hearted man who just needed some help and no one gave it. His mind ran wild and took him with it.

Last time I checked animals don't talk. When an animal doesn't like another they fight, to the death at times, especially those bears he was living with. Animals do not have human emotions, that is why they are called animals.

As for isolated and alone for long periods of time, I don't think so. He almost always had some kind of assistant with him. At least that is what I've read. Look at the people talking after the film some of them had gone with him to Katmai. Not only that he was working on other things with people and meeting with them outside of Katmai. Maybe the first few years he was out alone most of the time but not after he achieved a little fame.

I don't think that Timmy was bi-polar. Remember, he was a surfer dude in southern California. Maybe he just got hit on the head one too many times by his surfboard or maybe he took one too many bong hits. Who knows? The one thing I do know from watching Grizzly Man is that he was one hell of a whack job! Sleeping with his teddy bear in the wild? Calling the bears by pet names? Ranting against the park service? Protecting animals in a nature preserve? I certainly wouldn't have wanted for him to die, but what an idiot!

Here in the Alaskan wilderness humans and bears can co-exist if you respect natures boundiers. Now watching people come around with there cameras and making faces and talking all cute can be found amusing by alot of natures creatures. The ones that tend to hang around for long periods of time the creatures of nature learn to tolerate and on occasion find more amusement from them. Now for us bears the people that hang around for long periods of times to "study" us sure we find your comments amusing and we will put on a little show for you to see how you react and we will let you be as we lead you further and further into a false sense of security as we are thinking hey if we can keep this dude suckered into hang around here we have a alternitive food source if needs be. Oh yes we well let you think we are cute and cuddle tell the time comes that you become our Breakfast, Lunch, Supper, or Midnight snack. As for the pepper spray man that just clears our noses out for us and we will also use it a cajun seasoning on some things. Bells tided to your shoes and other loud noises just let us know where you are easier. So remember if you come up to our neck of the woods beware just like your watching us we will be watching you and thinking about would you go good with A1 sauce or Hot sauce and what wine would go best with ya.

Slam, Wendy, Roxy If your still around let me know. I just got done watching timmy boy again on discovery and well I think a new roll might be coming. As for ya new people I hope you will take the time to read some of the stuff posted above and way above as well. Some of it is very funny and some of it makes some sense as well.

Here in the Alaskan wilderness humans and bears can co-exist if you respect natures boundiers. Now watching people come around with there cameras and making faces and talking all cute can be found amusing by alot of natures creatures. The ones that tend to hang around for long periods of time the creatures of nature learn to tolerate and on occasion find more amusement from them. Now for us bears the people that hang around for long periods of times to "study" us sure we find your comments amusing and we will put on a little show for you to see how you react and we will let you be as we lead you further and further into a false sense of security as we are thinking hey if we can keep this dude suckered into hang around here we have a alternitive food source if needs be. Oh yes we well let you think we are cute and cuddle tell the time comes that you become our Breakfast, Lunch, Supper, or Midnight snack. As for the pepper spray man that just clears our noses out for us and we will also use it a cajun seasoning on some things. Bells tided to your shoes and other loud noises just let us know where you are easier. So remember if you come up to our neck of the woods beware just like your watching us we will be watching you and thinking about would you go good with A1 sauce or Hot sauce and what wine would go best with ya.

Slam, Wendy, Roxy If your still around let me know. I just got done watching timmy boy again on discovery and well I think a new roll might be coming. As for ya new people I hope you will take the time to read some of the stuff posted above and way above as well. Some of it is very funny and some of it makes some sense as well.

ok, im going to go ahead and ask, maybe SOMEONE will ANSWER.... DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET THE AUDIO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Come on BEFTQG, we have to hear the LAST episode!
I just heard this for the first time now on the Discovery channel, what stikes me the most is the I I I I I I I I and me me me me me me me in his dialog, he wasn't doing this for the bears, he did it to be a "star"

Just saw Grizzly Man on Discovery today and it go me surfing for more info and I wandered in here. I don't know what to think about this whole situation. After watching the show, I felt that Tim was mentally unbalanced and did not seem to know what he was doing. After reading some of the stories above from people who have actually "experienced" this man, I guess he was totally freakin nuts. The "loved ones" from the show seemed only interested in being in the show and seemed very insincere about their feelings for Tim. They didn't do the man any favors. The guy needed help and they should have been there for him. They were not. But they are sure there now, trying to capitolize on his death. I feel sorry for the girl. She didn't really want to be there to begin with and had made the decision that she would not be back. Too late I guess.

I think what struck me the hardest was watching the two bears fight. If after seeing that close up, and not realizing the extreme danger of these animals, that demonstrated how crazy this guy was. He even approached one of the fighters after the battle. Unreal.

I don't think he got what he deserved but he certainly got what was to be expected.

just my 2 cents

Hello BEFTQG Glad to see you are still around. I'm looking forward to more of your new material. I liked the new one wasn't sure it was you until the end.

I'm glad he got mauled. When I heard about it I laughed! I would love to see a video. You play with fire - you get burned!!
I think he watched too many Yogi bear cartoons and got confused.

Not only was he an idiot, he was also a fraud!

Wow! Don't you have a school shooting to plan! Maybe you could tell us how much you admire Hitler and Satan next. What a fucking ass!

Only after you tell me what school you go to chris mankey.

T.T.......

What a fucking idiot! In fact, I found this website by doing a google search for "Timothy Treadwell Fucking Idiot"......
Hhahahahahahahaha..........
Sieze ya!

I loved the one about the "sound bite"!

I have just watched 'Grizzly Man'. The film is obviously mistitled. In my view it should be titled 'The Dangers of Metamphetamine and MDMA Abuse: A Case Study'. Did Treadwell or his girlfriend ever realise that grizzly bears were dangerous animals? It is disrespectful to the bears that this documentary was made at all. To be filmed with Treadwell the bears should get a litigation lawyer and sue for denigration of character and/or libel. How do you think a grizzly would react if he understood that for 13 years some 'New-Ager' had been calling him "cute".
The best way to protect and respect bears? Just leave them alone!

You should go to this site then lots of funny stuff. I just found it a few days ago myself.

http://www.frizzensparks.com/archives/000173.html

Here are a couple of places if you want funny.

http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10740/

http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10725/

And if you want to see a picture of a big bear this one.

http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10447/

i want to be a technical director when i get older. i thought they were the ones who built the props and stuff is that true? if u could email me and let me know that would be good thanks

BEFTQG- Hey I'm still here. What's up? Any more funny episodes for me? See ya around. I'll check in later

Saw the video of Grizzly Man tonight. And I guess I'll put my 2 cents in... he got what he deserved. And had he lived, he should have been charged with involuntary manslaughter. I haven't seen anything written from her family so I assume she was probably as 'lost' as he was. This dude was looking for a quick buck, publicity, etc. Yeah, ok, he may have been infatuated with bears (weird, and I don't even buy that) but he was looking for the fame & fortune & money, BOTTOM LINE!! Come on, who goes from being a junkie to wanna be star on some sitcom to animal kingdom guy. And his so called 'FRIENDS'from the movie??? PLEASE! I kick my friends butts if they were so unmoved as these 'friends' were.
He was in a place which he rants on the park service for keeping people out of, wonder why??? Just plain stupid, all the way around !! I only wish I could get my money back for this piece of trash. Hope his parents and friends are profiting off this because that is exactly what he would have wanted since he knew he was such a flake. He knew it was coming people... damn, said but true. (BTW, not liberal, com or dem, just HUMAN.

Well. I'm Marco from Italy, and i'm a diplomated sound engegneer with 15 years of experience in this field. In short i work for customers that want a typical kind of sound for commercials, movies and fictions.
I have analized the recording of the bear attack, that a friend of mine provieded to me some days ago and i can swear that this tape is 100% a well done hoax, for one plausible reason: THE PHYSIC. Screams and yelling, from both the guys, have a considerable amount of REVERB mixed with voice. In short seems they are in a studio room. Question. How can a voice reverb like in a small room when Timothy was in a large open outside place? Answer: THIS ISN'T POSSIBLE. Everybody, can test this. Go outside, in an open space, without any buildings around and try yelling like them and record: no short reverb come back from your voice. Someone here is teasing us. So, i would want to ask to the director to give me the tape to analyze it better. I'm not saying that this guy isn't eated by a bear, but i'm saying that the story of a camera that record reverb on the voices, it's absurd. Of course i'm open to have a civil argue with someone that don't agree. Sorry for my english.

I think that Timothy was mentally unstable. He preached to the camera that was the the bear's "protector" and that he helped them. Timothy was just almost at the point where he was going to eat the bear's dung heap to feel "closer" to the bear. He really was just a lost soul that found a way to escape. I think he died the way he would have wanted to. He is now happily ever after in a big bear plopping smelling the wonderful aroma that "came out of the bear" - "Hello....earth to planet Timothy...come in Timothy".

He was probaly mentally retarded he needed help.

I think that anyone who has the courage to live among these bears for 13 summers deserves a little respect. Even if a lot of people didn't think he was being "scientifically correct", so what? He loved what he was doing. Any fool could see that.I think that he was a courageous and kind-hearted soul. It sickens me that anyone would make fun of another's death. Think of it this way. Have you ever made fun of someone lying in the hospital dying with lung cancer? That idiot! How dare he get lung cancer. And what about people getting killed every day by drunk drivers? Guess they should have kept their asses at home that day, huh? Of course he was not happy while he was being mauled to death. What idiot could even think such a thing? But is anyone ever been happy that they're dying, under any circumstances? Think of this. Even as he lay dying, he was still thinking of others well being. By anyone's accounts, the last act of his life was to try to convince his girlfriend to save herself. Could any one of you cold heartless assholes be that unselfish in life, let alone at the moment of imminent death?
In closing, my hat's off to you, Timothy Treadwell. That last self-less act, {perpetrated when there was no money to be gained, mind you} shows the true mettle of the man. Whether anyone disagreed with the way he lived his life,I don't think any would disagree with the fact that he lived it the way he wanted. That takes more courage than some of us will ever know. May he rest in peace.

this forum is fucking crazy. But really guys, where is the recording?

I would like to thank everyone for their kind comments, and fuck all the capitalists, people people out there. But i'd just like to say after the bear attack of 2003 fuck grizzly bears. i hate them and all of them need to DIE! I am not going to devote the afterlife to the pursuit of grizzles since im going to make sure they all burn in HELL! Next time i will research something a little less dangerous. I want you all to know, the bear attack didn't hurt, i was faking the screaming and so was amie lawlz jokes on you for believe that shit.

animal power= animalz rule!

I guess He was crazy and needed help in some kind of an institution.

I would like to honor Tim's Death. He was more than a man that you people hat make fun of him could ever be. Posted by: tim treadwell at January 22, 2008 I hope you whoever you may be could really start to appreciate what tim did for society. You people need to wake up and smell the Alaskan air.

i dont see y u guys are soooooo mean dont hate the person hate the sin and i dont think hje did much wrong well im not sure when you judge ithers you bring judgement on 2 your self love the Lord and stop being sooooooooo mean

He was a fucking delusional homosexual nutcase. Why waste time talking about this frauds life? He sucked grizzly balls and they nailed him in the ass on a daily basis.

I have studied Timothy Treadwell's work, actually became borderline obsessed with him!
I certainly hold an amount of respect and admiration for the man. After seeing "The Grizzly Man" film as well as reading pages of comments,reports and articles I was really affected by what happened to these two intelligent people. I personally think there is much more to this story. I can't stop ignoring the blatent facts that he would have seen right in front of him. I cannot help but wonder was there a deeper twisted tormented plan at work here. Timothy had the opportunity to leave the 'Maze' but returned because of a confrontation with an airline clerk. This fact is what really lets me have a peek into this man's tormented soul. This disagreemnet with another 'human' this one last 'rule' or boundary that was put on him sent him spiraling down this path only stopping for his death. This mistake,this massive oversight, this temper tantrum severly clouded his judgment, or did it? Is it possible this confrontation put into play a course that he had played out in his mind before? He and Amy had left the 'Maze' because it was very late in the year, most, if not all the bears he had worked with had gone into hibernation leaving some old stragglers who had moved in from other area's, bears that Timothy had not seen before. These bears were in clean up mode, grabbing as much food (Salmon) as they could find, preparing for their hibernation, driven by instinct to eat as fast and as much as possible to carry them through the winter. Timothy new this, he also was aware that some of the bears who had come in were older bears, bears that could not compete with the younger bears when the fish were running at their prime, these bears were hell bent on eating, making them overly aggressive and highly unpredictable. These last few facts is what I find completely upsetting. Timothy Treadwell new this stuff better than anybody!
You can see his lack of confidence in the last footage he took of himself just hours before he died. Was this a case of overconfidence or was is it something deeper, twisted and pre-meditated.
Alot of people state this was an accident and tragedy, the tragedy was that Amy died, why she went back there with him when I'm sure every fibre of her being was screaming not to is beyond me! Love? Maybe, but in the end, if it was love it certainly wasn't reciprocated. If Timothy was hell bent on destruction it should have been him and him alone. I myself could never put my loved ones in harm's way, quite the opposte, as a man I feel an overwhelming urge to protect, to preserve with all my strength, sacrificing my life if necessary to ensure my loved ones are not put in harm's way. If I was ever in a situation like that the last thing I would is call out to my wife to help, I would be yelling for her to get out, get safe, giving her as much time to get away as I could, not engaging her in a futile effort that is going to certainly cause her death! Some will argue that he beleived he and her would have been able to deter that bear, I don't believe that. I believe in the end Timothy had become so socially inept and had become completey paranoid about all the wrong things. I think Timothy new there was a very good chance that he would be killed when he decided to go back to the 'maze' that cold day in October, I think he might have even wanted it.
Please don't take this as anger or showing insensitivity, believe me, with all the time I have spent learning about Timothy I feel as if I knew the man and I have been affected by their deaths. I am human afterall, just need to get this off my chest.

Timothy Treadwell committed "murder suicide by bear". He knew Amie was planning to leave him, he'd rather have her die with him than to let her live. He knew he no longer wanted to be apart of the living "society" which he held in such disdain. He also wanted to "go down in a blaze of glory" at the claws of the bear. He entrapped Amie by bringing her with him back to the "Maze", when he was well aware the bears where in hyperphagia. He had even written in a letter that the bears in his camp were "more aggressive" than usual. Knowing this, why would he allow Amie to return? Timothy Treadwell sent the letter as a "cover" or "explanation" of what he was about to cause to occur. He made sure the tape was "rolling" in order to leave "proof" of the bears' "aggressiveness" and to have on last "curtain call". Amie was an idiot, she should have followed her instincts and saved herself by staying away from Kaflia Bay, Treadwell and his "beloved" bears.

Just a heads up that my blog entry about Treadwell has moved. The correct URL is now:

http://jimlynch.com/index.php/2003/10/09/timothy-treadwell-bear-expert-devoured-by-bears/

There are 69 posts on there. Some of them from Alaskans. Quite interesting to read.