October 31, 2004

Politics > Bloggers, Place Your Bets on the 2004 Elections

UPDATE: the winning predictions have been announced over here.

Psychics have an easy job. Just make a bunch of predictions. When you're wrong, keep quiet. When you're right, remind people endlessly. So for the 2004 election I'm keeping track of predictions to see which ones pan out. I'm concentrating on bloggers, columnists and news organizations. Know of a major prediction I missed? Post it in comments, or send a trackback link.

November 2 - the polls are open, so the betting office is closed to new bets

Now that the polls are open, I'm not taking new bets. I will still post predictions made prior to the polls opening.

November 2 additions: Mark Mellman (Kerry's Chief Pollster), Electric Venom, In the Bullpen, Blogs of War, Right on Red, Watcher of Weasels, RealClearPolitics roundup (under Other Prediction Roundups), Jeff Goldstein, Bill Hobbs, TalkLeft, RedState (under Other Prediction Roundups)

The bets so far

Adam Groves - Bush 271, Kerry 267
prediction made October 27, added October 31

Ann Coulter (various outlets) - Bush 317, Kerry 221
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Ana Marie-Cox (Wonkette) - Kerry 271, Bush 267
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Atrios - Kerry 284, Bush 254, with Kerry +3 in the popular vote
prediction made October 30, added October 31

Autonomous Source - Bush 310, Kerry 228
prediction made October 31, added November 1

Bill Hobbs - Bush 293, Kerry 245
prediction made November 1, added November 2

Bill White - Bush a bunch, Kerry 49
prediction made August 8, added October 31

Blackfive - Bush 294, Kerry 244
prediction made October 29, added November 1

Blogs of War (John Little) - Bush 280, Kerry 258
prediction made November 1, added November 2

Brothers Judd average - Bush 298, Kerry 239
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Colby Cosh - Bush 289, Kerry 249
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Countertop Chronicles - Bush 329, Kerry 209
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Daily Kos - "Kerry will win big--big as in over 5% ... and big as in 311 or more electoral votes."
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Dustbury - Bush 300, Kerry 238
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Election Projection (based on compositing polls) - Bush 286, Kerry 252
prediction made October 30, added October 31

Election Projection (based on Scott Elliott's own prediction) - Bush 356, Kerry 182
prediction made October 30, added October 31

Electoral Vote (based on compositing polls) - Kerry 298, Bush 231
prediction made October 31, added October 31. Their daily predictions were October 31 Kerry 283, Bush 246 and October 30 Bush 280, Kerry 243.

Electric Venom - "I predict Bush will win by a surprising majority."
prediction made November 1, added November 2

Frank Martin - Bush 381, Kerry 157
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Fred Barnes (Weekly Standard) - Bush 306, Kerry 232
prediction made October 28, added November 1

Generic Confusion - Bush 291, Kerry 247
prediction made October 31, added November 1

In the Bullpen - Bush 295, Kerry 243
prediction made November 2, added November 2

Irreconcilable Musings - Bush 296, Kerry 242
predicted November 1, added November 1

Jay Reding - Bush 310, Kerry 228
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Jeff Goldstein - "Bush 270 plus; screw John Kerry"
predication made November 1, added November 1

Jim Miller - Bush with 54% of popular vote
prediction made October 27, added October 31

Just on the Other Side - Bush 301, Kerry 237
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Labor Department internal study (based on analysis of outside reports) - Bush victory
published in a leak October 29, added October 31

Larry Sabato (Sabato's Crystal Ball) - Bush 276, Kerry 262
prediction made October 26, added October 31

Mark Mellman (Kerry's Chief Pollster) - "an expert forecasting model suggests that Bush will get 51.6 percent of the two-party vote"
prediction made November 2, added November 2

Mark Steyn (various outlets) - Bush 315, Kerry 223 - if he's wrong about a Bush win he'll resign from The Spectator
prediction made October 30??? (no firm date on article, just current date), added October 31

Mark the Pundit - Bush 319, Kerry 219
prediction made October 29, added November 1

Matt Welch - Kerry 300, Bush 238
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Matthew Yglesias - Bush 269 (49.3% popular), Kerry 269 (49.1% popular)
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Murdoc Online - Bush 305, Kerry 233
prediction made August 13, added November 1

My Pet Jawa - Kerry 279, Bush 259
prediction made November 1, added November 2

No Pundit - Bush victory, here's why
prediction made October 28, added November 1

One Fine Jay - Bush 281, Kerry 257
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Outside the Beltway - Bush 286, Kerry 252
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Peaktalk - Bush 290, Kerry 248
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Raving Atheist - Bush 293, Kerry 245
prediction made September 3, added October 31

Ray Fair (Fair Model) - Bush with 57% of two-party popular vote, based on purely economic indicators
prediction made July 31, added October 31

Rich Galen - Bush victory
prediction made October 29, added October 31

Right on Red - Bush 300, Kerry 238
prediction made November 2, added November 2

Skeet Skeet Skeet - Bush 298, Kerry 240
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Smug Monkey - Bush 356 (59.6% popular), Kerry 182 (40.4% popular)
prediction made November 1, added November 1

SouthKnoxBubba - Kerry 280, Bush 258
prediction made October 27, added October 31

Spoons - Kerry 304, Bush 234
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Stephen Hayes (Weekly Standard) - Kerry 291, Bush 247
prediction made October 28, added November 1

Stephen Bainbridge - Bush 296 (48.9% popular), Kerry 242 (48.1% popular)
prediction made November 1, added November 1

Sundries Shack - Bush 322, Kerry 216
prediction made October 1, added November 1

TalkLeft - Kerry 300 (52% popular), Bush 238 (47% popular)
prediction made October 31, added November 2

Tony Snow (Fox News) - Bush 280, Kerry 258
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Tradesports via VodkaPundit - Bush 286, Kerry 252
prediction made October 31, added October 31

Tucker Carlson (CNN) - Kerry 278, Bush 260
prediction made October 31 , added October 31

VodkaPundit (Stephen Green) - Bush 286, Kerry 252
Prediction made October 31, added November 1

Watcher of Weasels - Bush 279, Bin Laden 259
prediction made November 1 by email, added November 2

William Kristol (Weekly Standard) - Bush 348, Kerry 190
prediction made October 31, added October 31

WizBang (Kevin Aylward) - Bush 291, Kerry 247
prediction made October 31, added November 1

WizBang (Paul) - Kerry 274, Bush 264
prediction made October 31, added November 1

Other Prediction Roundups

My Prediction

And here's my map. Bush 278, Kerry 260. Prediction made October 31. I based my predictions on the parties winning exactly the same states they won in 2000. Am I playing it safe or what? Even if Bush won exactly the same states he did in 2000, he would get a bigger electoral win because of an overall trend of voters moving from blue states to red states.

2000-electoral-map.gif

Want to play?

If you'd like to put an electoral map on your site The Wall Street Journal and The LA Times have free tools that generate maps and automatically total electoral votes. Graphics tip: take a screenshot of the map, paste it into your favorite graphics program, and save it as a GIF. JPGs show nasty color banding.

Posted by lesjones

The Spoons Experience linked with BLOGGERS PREDICT
Wizbang linked with Wizbang Electoral Vote Prediction
Jay Reding.com linked with Electoral College Prediction 2004
One Fine Jay linked with Place yer bets
The Sundries Shack linked with Predictions! Predictions ! Predictions!
Autonomous Source linked with Election prediction
Outside The Beltway linked with OTB Election Prediction: Bush 286, Kerry 252
I'm N.O. Pundit! linked with Why George Bush Will Win
dustbury.com linked with And the inevitable prediction
Peaktalk linked with ELECTORAL COLLEGE PROJECTIONS
Texican Tattler linked with Les Jones's Blog: Bloggers, Place Your Bets on the
Irreconcilable Musings linked with Electoral Math
Blogs of War linked with Election Alert: Blogs of War Prediction
Watcher of Weasels linked with My Prediction: Bush 279, Bin Laden 259
RIGHT ON RED >> linked with My Prediction(s)
Six Meat Buffet linked with Caving into peer pressure
PoliBlog linked with The Final Slice: It's the Election Day Toast-O-Meter
Reactuate linked with Electorial College
TalkLeft: The Politics of Crime linked with It's Prediction Time
Watcher of Weasels linked with My Prediction: Bush 279, Bin Laden 259
The Jawa Report linked with New Prediction: Electoral Vote Tie!!
Peaktalk linked with WHO WAS RIGHT?
dustbury.com linked with And the inevitable prediction


Comments

Re-check Election Projection's prediction. I think you have it wrong.

Also, for the record, my prediction is:
Kerry 304, Bush 234

Posted by: Spoons at October 31, 2004

Ah, thanks. I've fixed their numbers and added yours. I appreciate the link, too.

Posted by: Les Jones at October 31, 2004

I'm predicting Nader 0.

Posted by: Laurence Simon at October 31, 2004

Howdy!

What's with all the October predictions? :-) Here's mine from August 8, 2004: http://minutiae.stblogs.org/archives/017036.html

Kerry gets between 11 and 49 electoral votes. *shrug*.

Posted by: Bill White at October 31, 2004

The Washington Post has some predictions, mostly from ninny pundits and assorted political hacks:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/outlook/outlookCrystalBall04.html

I'd post the numbers here, but they're in a goofy graphic, and I'm not about to type them in by hand.

The only notable prediction is Bill Kristol's: Bush 348/Kerry 190. As if that wasn't crazy enough by itself, he manages to out-crazy Ann Coulter by a wide margin (she calls it 317/221). Out-crazying Ann Coulter is no mean feat.

Personally, I truly have no freakin' idea who's going to win or what the margin will be. If I had to guess, though, I suppose I'd say that it will be really close, with either Kerry or Bush pulling it out in a squeaker, although it's also possible that one of them might actually win decisively, too. And the polls back me up on this.

Posted by: Steve K. at October 31, 2004

I will go out on a limb, though, and say that Bush won't get 348 electoral votes. Kerry won't, either. I'm open to wagers, if anyone's interested.

Posted by: Steve K. at October 31, 2004

Here's mine: http://web.utk.edu/~agroves/archives/00000260.html

Posted by: Adam at October 31, 2004

As I first predicted on September 3, the final tally will be Bush 293, Kerry 245.

Posted by: The Raving Atheist at November 01, 2004

How about 329-209 Bush. I predicted a stonger finish for him in May, but he's run a poor campaign and even the Traitorous Lout is able to keep it close.

For what its worth, I also tackle the Senate and make predictions in each major Senate race.

Posted by: countertop at November 01, 2004

Thanks to all bloggers. Now on behalf of all the Canadians who love your country and envy your political process PLEASE VOTE, GET ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS TO VOTE, GO TO THE LOCAL STARBUCKS AND GET PEOPLE YOU HAVE NEVER MET BEFORE TO VOTE. It is so important that you show all of us that people inside a country can fight like cats and dogs with bitter, angry words and then simply resolve the whole thing with the pull of a lever or a touch on a touch screen or a punch thru a punch card. The world looks to you to discover what a healthy democracy looks like, please don't let us down.

Posted by: roy at November 01, 2004

The Weekly Standard has a number of predictions here;

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/831ikvkm.asp

Posted by: S at November 01, 2004

Hey Les, Tucker Carlson has John Kerry winning. You have the EC votes reversed for Bush/Kerry on his prediction.

Posted by: Adam at November 01, 2004

Hi,

You have the numbers reversed on this link on your page.
Here is what you have: Tucker Carlson (CNN) - Bush 278, Kerry 260 prediction made October 31 , added October 31

It should be: Tucker Carlson (CNN) - Bush 260, Kerry 278 prediction made October 31 , added October 31

I know it seems strange but Tuker did vote against the Pubs.

Posted by: Leon at November 01, 2004

Adam and Leon: fixed, thanks.

Steve and S: thanks for the links. I added some of the individual predictions to the list, and added a category at the bottom for prediction roundups.

Posted by: Les Jones at November 01, 2004

I think you're pretty much right. I think Bush may grab PA and NM too.

Posted by: SayUncle at November 01, 2004

FYI, you have posted the composite polling map from Election Projection, not Scott's own prediction.

Scott's prediction is a Bush win, 356-182 in the electoral college and 51.9%-46.5% in the popular vote.

Nice collection, by the way. Very handy one-stop shopping.

Posted by: Young Goodman Brown at November 01, 2004

A thrashing of near Reagan/Mondale proportions...

http://smugmonkey.blogspot.com/2004/11/official-prediction-thread.html

Popular vote: Bush 59.6 sKerry 40.4

Place your bets.

Posted by: SmugMonkey at November 01, 2004

Great work on this post! It's nice to see all the Political Pajama Predictions in one place.

For the record, I'm standing by my August Final Prediction of Bush 305 - Kerry 233.

(Map on my site but MT-Blacklist won't let me put my URL up.)

If anything, I might have underestimated the spread, which I noted back then but feel even more strongly about today. But despite my misgivings, This Is My Story, And I'm Sticking To It.

Posted by: murdoc at November 01, 2004

Young Goodman Brown: OK, I've added Scott's own prediction and kept his polling prediction, too. Interesting that they're so radically different.

Murdoc: I looked through the MT-Blacklist to see why your link was banned. "murdoc" isn't in there, so I think your URL somehow matches one of the banned addresses that includes "on1ine". (Crap! It wouldn't let me post until I mis-spelled that word. I'll have to dig some more.)

I added your prediction. Yours too, Smug Monkey, and everyone else who posted, too. Thanks.

Posted by: Les Jones at November 01, 2004

Thanks Les - bookmarked and blogrolled!

Posted by: Smug Monkey at November 01, 2004

Just wanted to provide an update to my earlier prediction. We took a survey here at work (I work at one of the larger non partisan - but still rather conservative - trade associations in D.C.) and all but 2 people in the office today (myself and one other) think Kerry is going to send Bush home.

Posted by: countertop at November 01, 2004

Here's a bunch from American Prospect people:

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8824

Yglesias is calling a 269-269 tie.

Posted by: Devin McCullen at November 01, 2004

Bush by 3-5% of PV, 7-20 EC votes.

I base my Made in Canada prediciton on the fact that virtually all of Kerry's vote is actually anti-Bush. I have yet to see any evidence that people are being galvanized to march out and vote for Kerry. The anti-Bush base is stalled at about 40% of the electorate.

To win an election you need to have people who really want you to win, not just people who want the other guy to lose.

OBL reminded the world, and Americans, that there is a war on and Johnny Cambodia does not seem to get this.

Washington insiders, most of the media, a lot of bloggers, have siddled over to Kerry because they do not see Bush executing the war very well. They are mired in the details - I mean 400 tons of explosives from a cache estimated at 500,000 tons?

Out side the beltway and the editorial offices, people know there are no perfect wars. But they also know that since Bush began the war on terror there has not been a further act of terror in America.

They'll break Bush tomorrow. And, possibly, break in a pretty massive way.

Posted by: Jay Currie at November 01, 2004

G Bush ev 296 add four more if HI goes GB's way
J Kerry ev 242

This will be the final, after two weeks of waiting, after 10,000 lawyers get done and there are three trips to the Supreme court.

Posted by: GWB the Father at November 01, 2004

Thanks, Devin. I added the American Prospect link under the Roundups heading, and put Matt Yglesias' vote under the main heading.

Posted by: Les Jones at November 01, 2004

My prediction, as evidenced by my first commment and the accompanying link, is Bush 293, Kerry 245. For some reason, you have me as predicting Kerry 282, Bush 256 (which seems to be close to the prediction immediately beneath mine on that link).

Posted by: The Raving Atheist at November 01, 2004

Here's mine- 40 states for Bush, 10 for Kerry, which is 360 red vs 178 blue. Go Dubya!

Posted by: Alan M. at November 02, 2004

Bush 296. That's every state he won in 2000 (except NH, which I think may be contrarian) plus the states that were extremely close: Iowa, New Mexico, and Wisconsin. Key factors: voters don't trust Kerry on foreign policy, and GOP GOTV.

Justification and 2000 data at pajamasphere.com/election2004/prediction.html

By the way, the average prediction for Bush so far on this page is 290.

For those who are predicting a major swing to Bush: add NH plus the remaining 3 swing states (MI, MN, PA). That's 348.

Posted by: Pajamasphere at November 02, 2004

Atheist: fixed, thanks.

Posted by: Les Jones at November 02, 2004

Just because all the other cool kids are doing it:

Bush 290 / Kerry 248

Posted by: Ron at November 02, 2004

I have no idea, so I'm just going with the wackiest prediction I can think of. Kerry wins most of the battleground states, the Colorado initiative passes, and one Bush elector is so depressed he defects to Badnarik. Final results after the courts weigh in: Kerry-315, Bush-222, Badnarik-1.

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